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    Player Skeith-Adeline's Avatar
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    Viability of a Spell Speed WHM set up?

    White Mage is my secondary class, but I am NOT going to be playing it in Final Coil (BLM).

    Thinking about doing either a Piety/Spell Speed or Spell Speed/Determination build just for funs.

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    Yoso Carrasco
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    WHM secondary stats are literally personal preference.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Estellios View Post
    WHM secondary stats are literally personal preference.
    Exactly. Secondaries on a healer are literally meaningless. I'm sure you've heard before that skill trumps gear, and this is most evident on a healer. You could have zero of every Secondary and do just fine at everything. You wanna Spell Speed? Go for it!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Donjo View Post
    Exactly. Secondaries on a healer are literally meaningless.
    Except, y'know, having enough Piety to comfortably heal for many minutes of constant fighting, or a Scholar's unchallenged need for Crit rate...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Donjo View Post
    Secondaries on a healer are literally meaningless.
    They are not.

    Quote Originally Posted by Donjo View Post
    I'm sure you've heard before that skill trumps gear, and this is most evident on a healer.
    Now, this I do agree with.

    OP, you could go for SPSP for fun but it's not a good stat. If you intend to chain cast DPS-spells, go ahead. However, for your healing game SPSP has very little effect as healing in this game is very timing-based with little to no chain casting necessary. When you are not chain casting, you are not really getting anything out of SPSP. That marginally faster Cure II won't be helpful because, y'know, you could have timed it perfectly anyway via precasting with some thought. :')

    There're tons of SPSP-related topics on this forum and the efficacy or lack thereof has been exhausted in previous topics, whilst some still advocate SPSP.

    TL;DR: WHM is your offspec, have fun with it and do as you please.
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    Player Skeith-Adeline's Avatar
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    Yea. BLM SP rubbed off on me haha. Everything must be fast XD

    Thanks for your insight guys!
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    In my opinion, you should go full DET with enough PIE. What constitutes of "enough" depends on yourself, but if you are not doing FCoB, having a comfortably big MP-pool won't be a big issue. So that being said, if you intend to do content casually on your WHM and are working on upgrades simply to pass time, you don't really need much if at all PIE, meaning you could go DET+SPSP like you planned to.

    If you intend to do some (semi-)serious content on WHM, I'd say: enough PIE + full-on DET if possible. 5k to 5.4k MP (with food and party buffs) seem about right, with some going for even more.
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    Sacrilege Moonshadow
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    I'm looking forward to SE hopefully reworking spell speed to make it less useless for jobs that aren't BLM. Whenever a healer's Coil or Tome piece has tons of SPSD instead of more useful stats, it just makes me wonder what's wrong with the dev team.

    The only caster who benefits less from SPSD as it currently functions is SMN.
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    I find spell speed waste mana, in a sense where you cast can be too fast over healing a target. I find DET more useful because you can actually see the heal increase and also increases your fps output.

    If I use scholar gear on whm I heal for 200hp less than using all DET gear, you don't think that little bit matters until your tank has 1hp and you think " if I was using crit/spell speed he might hav been dead from lack of healing".
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    Realizing I'm heading into coil in a second, I feel there is one case that can be made for Spell Speed. It's your emergency "Oh shit I have to interrupt my cast to avoid dying to an aoe" stat that makes easier to recast that life-saving spell BEFORE it's too late. Not the best case, but not one I'd scoff at.
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