Alexander

[WellFooled]

that Ramuh wasn't a 'bad' primal either.

I'll believe Ramuh isn't a bad primal when a reasonable explanation is given to why he tempered (stole the free will from) almost an entire species of peaceful people.

[Darkstride]

I'll believe Ramuh isn't a bad primal when a reasonable explanation is given to why he tempered (stole the free will from) almost an entire species of peaceful people.

Wasn't the Sylphs' tempering a result of their summoning him to defend the woods? I seem to recall they knew that was the cost of summoning him to begin with. Correct me if I'm wrong. I don't think Ramuh has the same deliberate intention as Ifrit who just enjoys enthralling people.

[Mholito]

I seem to recall Ramuh stating that the sylphs begged him to temper them, and he obliged.

[shawnaus1986]

what does tempering actually do?

[godwin]

Don't worry once we are done with it, it'll be even more holey.

[WellFooled]

Wasn't the Sylphs' tempering a result of their summoning him to defend the woods? I seem to recall they knew that was the cost of summoning him to begin with. Correct me if I'm wrong. I don't think Ramuh has the same deliberate intention as Ifrit who just enjoys enthralling people.

I looked back at some quest dialogue to double check. Frixio described the event like this:

These ones resorted to summoning Lord Ramuh to protect the wood from Imperial ones. This one counseled against doing so, but was not heeded. Against this ones wishes, Lord Ramuh was summoned...and all those ones who took part became touched ones. Touched ones, meanwhile, wanted to turn these ones into touched ones, and did know how...so this one fled to little Solace with all those ones who did not wish to be bound to Lord Ramuh.

From that description, It could be that the summoning process itself caused the Tempering...but I don't think so, because Frixio also talks about the touched ones trying to get the other Slyphs tempered and since the Slpyhs of Little Solace wouldn't summon Ramuh then the method must not involve summoning. Instead I think it's the same method we've seen in action from other Primals, a deliberate tempering by the Primal itself.

So I take Frixio's description to mean that the Slyphs who summoned Ramuh were immediately tempered by him after he arrived and then they tried to capture non-tempered Slpyhs and bring them to Ramuh to be tempered. Ramuh may have thought he was doing this to them for their own protection, but it still hold that tempering is one of the most evil things that you can do to a person in FFXIV's universe.

[Tayolynn]

I'm excited to fight Alexander tbh. I mean, think about the gear that it'll drop. Coil's final raid set dropped gorgeous Dreadwyrm gear to commemorate Bahamut. Think about what Alexander's gear designs would be to commemorate it in a holy aspect.

THE PRETTIES!

[Ethys]

I did some digging and analysis RE Alexander a few weeks ago... I've had a little more time to think since then but I'm sure that some of you will find this pretty compelling:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fCAlMyKYUI4

[DoctaruRavenbe]

So I take Frixio's description to mean that the Slyphs who summoned Ramuh were immediately tempered by him after he arrived and then they tried to capture non-tempered Slpyhs and bring them to Ramuh to be tempered. Ramuh may have thought he was doing this to them for their own protection, but it still hold that tempering is one of the most evil things that you can do to a person in FFXIV's universe.

actually I remember Fernwhales answering this question at fanfest. He was the one whom stated that the sylphs who summoned Ramuh then also asked him to be tempered.

[Belhi]

Considering the tempered Sylph were kidnaping the untempered Sylph when Ramuh wasn't even summoned, it seems likely that there could be an alternative method of tempering that doesn't involve the primal's direct action.