in the future of ffxiv, please no more HNM

[Zenaku]

HNMs should have longer spawns, its part of what makes them different then the plain old NMs. They are much harder, have longer spawn times and drop some of the better gear at slower rates (lower drop rates basically). I would actually be pretty bored if an HNM poped every hour and the drop rate is good...then everyone an their grandmothers would have good stuff. A major part of the HNM appeal was how the items were much rarer to get, making the people who got them slightly above others. As much as people dont like to hear it, competitiveness and showing off is a huge appeal in MMOs.

I can't tell you how many times i ran by and checked people in FFXI and went "whoa...i want that" and knew right away that the person who got it was not only lucky, but put a lot of effort into getting the item, its a big feeling of accomplishment and excitement when you get that hard to get rare drop for yourself or friends.

I agree but we no longer live in the time that people like hardcore games we have to deal with casual. We have to make a middle line with it. They can make the HNM pop every 1-2hours with low drop rate and have BCNM for the casual that don't want too do the HNM version you still get the same item but it going to be even a lower drop rate then getting it from the HNM.

[IStolzI]

Now, let's say they remove every HNM from the game.

Does it make any difference at all to you at the end of the day?

Yes. The items will then be obtainable another way; hopefully a better way... i.e. instance.

[Zenaku]

Yes. The items will then be obtainable another way; hopefully a better way... i.e. instance.

Maybe you did not read the last few topic if you make everything instance then the area around the game become life less and only 1 city would have life once again be back to square one with everyone in ul'dah at least now i see people in other city due to marks and what not,.

[Zanfire]

Maybe you did not read the last few topic if you make everything instance then the area around the game become life less and only 1 city would have life once again be back to square one with everyone in ul'dah at least now i see people in other city due to marks and what not,.

Also didnt read the fact that HNMs dont have to drop stuff that rmt want...like U/U gear...they dont want anything they cant sell. They did that to HNMs in FFXI years ago, not sure why they wouldnt do that again.

please come up with better excuses as to why they need to never impliment it into this game because you dont like it and would rather let noone have it if you cant do it...greedy clowns.

[Chocobits]

Also didnt read the fact that HNMs dont have to drop stuff that rmt want...like U/U gear...they dont want anything they cant sell. They did that to HNMs in FFXI years ago, not sure why they wouldnt do that again.

please come up with better excuses as to why they need to never impliment it into this game because you dont like it and would rather let noone have it if you cant do it...greedy clowns.

Hasn't stopped them before. They claim the mob, then offer to let people "buy" a slot in the party to lot the item. Anything in the treasure pool is fair game, whether it's tradable or not.

[Zanfire]

Hasn't stopped them before. They claim the mob, then offer to let people "buy" a slot in the party to lot the item. Anything in the treasure pool is fair game, whether it's tradable or not.

really, have you played FFXI at all since the change? that rarely happened, unless the item was so great it was a must have, and even then it quickly went away because they realized how little bussiness they made.

and if you want to go that way, they even used instanced stuff to sell, they would do the same thing (buy an item and they get it for you) so should we s just say no instanced versions either, cause they can exploit that too.

might as well take out all the NMs and any monsters that drop decently priced items because rmt can camp over it and exploit it. might as well instance the whole game because of RMT, better that way right?

[Chocobits]

really, have you played FFXI at all since the change? that rarely happened, unless the item was so great it was a must have, and even then it quickly went away because they realized how little bussiness they made.

and if you want to go that way, they even used instanced stuff to sell, they would do the same thing (buy an item and they get it for you) so should we s just say no instanced versions either, cause they can exploit that too.

might as well take out all the NMs and any monsters that drop decently priced items because rmt can camp over it and exploit it. might as well instance the whole game because of RMT, better that way right?

I played FFXI up until the Square Enix account management fiasco in July. I'm biding my time until I see a favorable payment option.

Now to address this, since I don't believe you read anything leading up to my post:

What changes are you referring to? The claiming system overhaul back in like '09? The move away from world spawned monsters because of Abyssea? The 2h adjustment? Changing Kings to force spawns? Or the fact that 90% of things you can obtain by soloing a mob in Abyssea are several magnitudes better than anything a world spawn NM could drop? Even Armada Hauberk is outclassed by other gear for the 3 jobs that can equip it. And lolRidill is now lolRidill.

Defending Ring, Hermes Sandals and W.leg abjuration are arguably the only notable NM drops left outside of Abyssea, and one of those is from a pop mob.

So, as you can probably surmise, as a person that's being doing endgame since 2005, I was probably referring to an earlier period in the game when RMT and botshells monopolized R/E gear. I'm not sure what you meant by "rarely" and "must have". So.. Tiamat + 3 kings, and over the course of the entire year throughout 2009 when bots finally reached a point that they could shut out most fair competition? I'm not sure where this rareness was when my friend was 2/3 on Black Belt and was asked to pay 5m for Egg, only to have that botshell withdraw their offer because someone else wanted to pay more.

Also if you'd read anything at all before this page you'd know that I'm for keeping HNM and the addition of new open world mobs. I like camping. Sadly it will eventually be exploited to the point where the content isn't accessible, but that won't happen immediately.

Your observations are keen and you make valid points sir. Please keep up the good work.

[Okiura]

There's nothing wrong with that. But there are ways to make things rare and hard to get without requiring 3 a.m. wake-up calls in order (for a tiny, slim chance) to get it. I've had too many friends lose their job or fail their test because they were too exhausted from HNM hunting in the middle of the night (because if they didn't show up, their shell would kick them, and all that miserable HNM hunting they did up to that point would be for nothing). It's just senseless. Rare and difficult challenges in an online game shouldn't require you to sacrifice your RL schedule to accomplish it. There's no need for it, especially since it encourages destructive behavior.

this just LoL! i'm still chuckling 10 mins after reading it!

Yes. The items will then be obtainable another way; hopefully a better way... i.e. instance.

Almost everyone who is for a HNM system has suggested better way of doing a HNM system, having everything as an instance would destroy the game IMO, you need variety even more so in endgame content.

EDIT: Still chuckling ^^