in the future of ffxiv, please no more HNM

[Reinheart]

huh this is not about hardcore vs casual it just about getting more way of doing something. you know what the reward for doing the BCNM would be? you can trade/sell that good enough reward for me. The bot issue i know this hand down every linkshell in ffxi who did HNM was bots in my world if your linkshell did not pay 60mil or w/e price they ask for a bot or real life money for it you wont be doing jack which is very sad.

SE can fix the bot issue if they attack it hand on if not then we going to have this issue again in ffxi so it does not matter.

they should just make two version it's not that hard seeing how they can make a HNM mob and use the same .dat for the bcnm version so it's not much work.

Pretty sure most HNMLS in FFXI used bots to pull the HNM remember LS guys talking oh JP linkshell going to win pull because they are in Japan and the latency lol.

If the drops from regular or BCNM one is same (say BCNM is lower rate drop) then I'm OK with it, it still gives me the chance to at least try when I can try. I just don't want to bother fighting pull with another LS no more... specially when you know you not going to win pull against bot users.

Hopefully SE can make it work if they do plan on adding HNM's

[Zenaku]

Pretty sure most HNMLS in FFXI used bots to pull the HNM remember LS guys talking oh JP linkshell going to win pull because they are in Japan and the latency lol.

If the drops from regular or BCNM one is same (say BCNM is lower rate drop) then I'm OK with it, it still gives me the chance to at least try when I can try. I just don't want to bother fighting pull with another LS no more... specially when you know you not going to win pull.

Hopefully SE can make it work if they do plan on adding HNM's

That not very true i use up most of my time farming around area that HNM are and the top people getting it everyday was NA even on JP time latency have noting to do with it. The bot get the HNM before it even pop up for NA which mean the bot see it right on time as the JP see it which mean it up to which bot is faster to get the HNM lol.


BCNM= lower drop rate and you can sell
HNM= higher drop rate and rare,ex

This way casual can do it without issue but once again the bot issue would happen matter what if SE does noting about it.

I don't want this game to become 100% instance and noting no one on the open everyone just in town and go do instance all day.that the issue we going to have if there no NM walking outside at least they be people doing both the way i say it.

[Reinheart]

That not very true i use up most of my time farming around area that HNM are and the top people getting it everyday was NA even on JP time latency have noting to do with it. The bot get the HNM before it even pop up for NA which mean the bot see it right on time as the JP see it which mean it up to which bot is faster to get the HNM lol.

lol that part was just joking w I know it had nothing to do with latency stuff since NA linkshell guys did get pulls over linkshells on my server many times but I remember on vent people used to say that whenever JP linkshell guys get HNM or I forget the NM name... the golem NM in Tu'lia for one for pop item for Genbu/Suzaku/Byakko w

I agree with what you're saying, makes sense your way

[Zenaku]

lol that part was just joking w I know it had nothing to do with latency stuff since NA linkshell guys did get pulls over linkshells on my server many times but I remember on vent people used to say that whenever JP linkshell guys get HNM or I forget the NM name... the golem NM in Tu'lia for one for pop item for Genbu/Suzaku/Byakko w

I agree with what you're saying, makes sense your way

FFXIV was sold for every type of playstyle so BCNM,HNM is good for both casual and hardcore and it give life outside the city if it going to be all bcnm type then why even have areas lol.

I just hope everyone else get what i mean there is such thing as you can have both

[Nexxus]

HNM like VNM (without having to take picture, or have to /sit to get message the mob is ** yard away) will be a better way to add High Monster into the game.

But there is the guildleve system, and there's more to come with company, probably some High NM, and it would be cool.
I just hope there's not only rare/ex item coming with that, i wan't to make some cash by defeating High Notorious Monster !

[odette]

always have outher accounts and they uses bots, sooo
hnm are doesnt fun, wait for hours, 1 ls monopolize thsi nm and economy

[Anapingofness]

Dear SE... Please to Nix HNM camping in FFXIV. BCNM and Force PoP NM work wonderfully as you have seen in FFXI's Abyssea mini expansions.

My reasons are as follows.

-HNM camping is not fun, at all.
-If I am paying to play the game, then I want to play it. Not sit for 3+ hours (and back in the HNM heyday of FFXI it was nightmarish for how long some HNM's took to pop. You know what I speak of Solace... the horror of it all...) waiting for an NM to pop that will get out claimed via bots. As those of you remember Faffy (for example! =D ). It was harder to claim him than it was to kill him. =_= As was the case with many of the FFXI HNMs.
-The rarity of drops can easily be placed into BCNMS/Force Pop nms.
-HNM camping is not fun.
-There is nothing that camping can accomplish that can't be done via BCNM's and Force Pop NM's in regards to loot dropping, strategy for a fight, etc.
-HNM camping is not fun, did I mention this? Sorry, sometimes things need to be repeated for them to stick.

Thanks for reading!

[Jabo]

None wants to sit 3h and do nothing. This is quit obvious. What i don't get is why a lot of people think HNM's = 3h waiting, bot claiming, monopolizing?
There are soo many reasons to address these matters.
A combination of random pop location (could be bigger distances between them) and certain triggering conditions, which can be effected by palyers actions for example.

To get specific:
The HNM can pop in 5 locations, far from each other, but if you visit one certain temple or whatever, you can get the location where he is going to pop next.
The HNM also only appears on a certain hour and only if it is raining. Now the party has to visit multiple locations to summon this HNM without these conditions being met. 4 are trying to reach these locations and 4 are waiting for the NM to pop. Autoclaim could be a way to go against people who are going to exploit the system. Then again they need to know one of the 5 locations.


What I don't like is instanced stuff. Instanced stuff offers some benefits for the gameplay but they take a lot of the roll playing experience. I like it, hearing of an fearsome HNM and seeing it per coincident while exploring or travelling.
I like these things to be a real part of the world.

[Lienn]

Very true. However, when you have a HNM you will always have claim war, which will always ending with people using cheating. At the same time i do like seeing the NM outdoor, i'd like them to have some crazy fast respawn rate when the conditions are met (like current ones are, that seems to have like 5 minutes respawn) or they having forced spawn/leve version too.

Because its not only about claiming...its does involve gaming experience...not everyone feel like camping monsters. The waiting HNM like FFXI ones caused makes the experience with these monsters boring and frustrating over time. So i do think outdoof NMs are welcome, but the spawn windows used in FFXI no.

IMO if you want to see a good gaming experience you can look these common NMs. They do are a fun content because you actually spend your time dealing with the NM instead of waiting or fighting with other LSs for claim...if you want the item you go there and it will be waiting you.

Or it would end like FFXI....Behemoth Dominion...but where are the behemoth? Dragon's Aery...but what dragons? all i saw there are dragonflies! It was frustrating having to spend years of gameplay until i finally being able to see the monsters whose the areas were named under. Its much cooler as it is here, where you know that of you follow the road in coerthas at night you probably will pass by Uraneus...its exciting you knowing you're entering a HNM territory and having to cross it carefully due the potential risk of it does being there.

[Zenaku]

Once again you dam people we can have both -.- having everything BCNM type would make outside the city have no one you can have both HNM and pop HNM/BCNM type. Stop thinking about yourself you can just do your BCNM/pop nm and the people that enjoy doing HNM outside can do it also it wont even matter if there bots there because there no bots doing pop/bcnm when you do them,

I myself would be doing BCNM/POP but it nice to do the real HNM with friends it's not like it going to be a big issue in this game like FFXI.