in the future of ffxiv, please no more HNM

[Okiura]

There's nothing wrong with that. But there are ways to make things rare and hard to get without requiring 3 a.m. wake-up calls in order (for a tiny, slim chance) to get it. I've had too many friends lose their job or fail their test because they were too exhausted from HNM hunting in the middle of the night (because if they didn't show up, their shell would kick them, and all that miserable HNM hunting they did up to that point would be for nothing). It's just senseless. Rare and difficult challenges in an online game shouldn't require you to sacrifice your RL schedule to accomplish it. There's no need for it, especially since it encourages destructive behavior.

this just LoL! i'm still chuckling 10 mins after reading it!

Yes. The items will then be obtainable another way; hopefully a better way... i.e. instance.

Almost everyone who is for a HNM system has suggested better way of doing a HNM system, having everything as an instance would destroy the game IMO, you need variety even more so in endgame content.

EDIT: Still chuckling ^^

[AmyRae]

I can't tell you how many times i ran by and checked people in FFXI and went "whoa...i want that" and knew right away that the person who got it was not only lucky, but put a lot of effort into getting the item, its a big feeling of accomplishment and excitement when you get that hard to get rare drop for yourself or friends.

There's nothing wrong with that. But there are ways to make things rare and hard to get without requiring 3 a.m. wake-up calls in order (for a tiny, slim chance) to get it. I've had too many friends lose their job or fail their test because they were too exhausted from HNM hunting in the middle of the night (because if they didn't show up, their shell would kick them, and all that miserable HNM hunting they did up to that point would be for nothing). It's just senseless. Rare and difficult challenges in an online game shouldn't require you to sacrifice your RL schedule to accomplish it. There's no need for it, especially since it encourages destructive behavior.

[Exni]

I've had too many friends lose their job or fail their test because they were too exhausted from HNM hunting in the middle of the night (because if they didn't show up, their shell would kick them, and all that miserable HNM hunting they did up to that point would be for nothing).

HAHAHAHAHA!!! ROFL!

[Firon]

The way HNM's works now is fine you can usually just find them standing there during their pop times. They stay up for about 30 mins and you can camp them all day if you want

[weeble]

u say the day of people having gear others don't and hard content is over but take diablo3 for instance, they are adding a online cash shop by players. this means for blizard to make money on it they need to really make rewards harder, content harder and less drop rates. so if this succeeds technically it can go back the other way?

but i also don't agree with the idea of a rare/ex that takes 1 week over a non rare ex that takes a year? why do it then, there needs to be a point ..i'm sorry but the concept of 2 things for diff amount of work is not gonna work. no one will do it, it would be a waist of dev time and money even trying to make it. if the one u can add materia and one u can't something to that point then maybe, but it needs to be "Worth" the time invested. but i agree hardcore need there game play too.

also no matter how easy u make things in a mmo, the biggest problem for most casuals is they don't motivate enough time to actually trying to put things together, they will run around solo in pve or even pvp games till someone does it, or they see a shout. leaders stooped doing dungeons for 2 weeks and guess how many dungeon runs got done even though people still need stuff? none, so how easy does everything need to be, it all needs to be fully solo for any casual to do and that isn't a online mmorpg that is 15bucks a month extra for a offline game with aol chat. but that is my opinion, this game will suck and fail without real and challenging and party play contents including hnm types with or without the time for pops. u may not think so right away but for sure even the most dedicated to hating hnm's and hard content will end up leaving the game in a year tops without. ...but again maybe that is what 80% want in a mmo for it to die out in a year and go f2p.

[Zenaku]

u say the day of people having gear others don't and hard content is over but take diablo3 for instance, they are adding a online cash shop by players. this means for blizard to make money on it they need to really make rewards harder, content harder and less drop rates. so if this succeeds technically it can go back the other way?

but i also don't agree with the idea of a rare/ex that takes 1 week over a non rare ex that takes a year? why do it then, there needs to be a point ..i'm sorry but the concept of 2 things for diff amount of work is not gonna work. no one will do it, it would be a waist of dev time and money even trying to make it. if the one u can add materia and one u can't something to that point then maybe, but it needs to be "Worth" the time invested. but i agree hardcore need there game play too.

also no matter how easy u make things in a mmo, the biggest problem for most casuals is they don't motivate enough time to actually trying to put things together, they will run around solo in pve or even pvp games till someone does it, or they see a shout. leaders stooped doing dungeons for 2 weeks and guess how many dungeon runs got done even though people still need stuff? none, so how easy does everything need to be, it all needs to be fully solo for any casual to do and that isn't a online mmorpg that is 15bucks a month extra for a offline game with aol chat. but that is my opinion, this game will suck and fail without real and challenging and party play contents including hnm types with or without the time for pops. u may not think so right away but for sure even the most dedicated to hating hnm's and hard content will end up leaving the game in a year tops without. ...but again maybe that is what 80% want in a mmo for it to die out in a year and go f2p.

you do i understand what i said was a example and not something for real right? don't take it so literal.

The issue with HNM/BCNM is to fix that issue it's not to make everything x2 that only one issue. Everything else can be fix but making it fun and hard but also very casual. The HNM fastest fix was to make two version of it and give other type of reward also for the BCNM.

[Okiura]

Nice to see the OP is still active in their thread, guess the "challange" i gave them of finding somthing i didn't acctually say was too much. my guess is they've gone off to start another thread to complain about how hard it is to demand somthing on these forums w/o someone disagreing whem them.

i mean not even a "You're momma joke" or comment on my really really bad spelling.

[Zenaku]

Nice to see the OP is still active in their thread, guess the "challange" i gave them of finding somthing i didn't acctually say was too much. my guess is they've gone off to start another thread to complain about how hard it is to demand somthing on these forums w/o someone disagreing whem them.

i mean not even a "You're momma joke" or comment on my really really bad spelling.

Too late she/he did that http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...-racist-people

Which i think that pointing at me which is the reason one of my thing got report -.- she/he trying to get me ban now seeing how it around the sametime my post got mod edit but w/e people can't be proving wrong anymore i see.

[Okiura]

Too late she/he did that http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...-racist-people

Which i think that pointing at me which is the reason one of my thing got report -.- she/he trying to get me ban now seeing how it around the sametime my post got mod edit but w/e people can't be proving wrong anymore i see.

LOL, i didn't even search. before i wrote that last post.

EDIT: Think i found a new Sig. though not too sure where the racist part comes in guess it's a good way to get views.

many jerk need bans for bad actitude

[Zenaku]

LOL, i didn't even search. before i wrote that last post.

Yep it pretty sad.

anyways i hope the dev can review what we think and try and make it for both casual and hardcore what the point of remaking the maps then not adding HNM in them and making everything instance? for HNM i would say do what one person said 1hour repop 24hour limit before doing it again. Then just make a BCNM type for casual to do if they think the HNM take to much time. You can make use of the beastman coins that drop from the beastman seeing how casual are killing them anyways to level up.