Speedrunning: Status Buffs and Aggro Management.

[radioactive_lego]

Yesterday I did Ex Roulette, and before greetings were muttered the tank (WAR) took off and pulled the first 2 mobs (AK-HM) and engaged the doorkeeper. I Regen'd the tank, Medica 2'd, then spammed holy 2-3 times and the fight was over - easy, no problem, no hard feelings.

As soon as the door was open he ran thru the two wolves, Big-Horned thingie, and AOE vines that slap the ground and beyond. He only used proximity (as opposed to Flash/Overpower/Tomahawk etc.) to aggro the mobs. Unfortunately he still had some regen active from the first fight. A wipe followed shortly thereafter. Derp, right? But whos derp is it?

He blamed me; "Don't use regen."
I blamed him; "You might try slowing down and Overpower."

I'll leave it to the jury of the community. Is aggro management from status effects (Regen, Medica II, Bard songs, Pet Casts, etc.):
A) the responsibility of the caster.
B) the responsibility of the person who "pulled" the mob.

[JayCommon]

Tank sets the pace, he should have clicked Regen off before pulling the next set.

But he did also have a point....

You probably did not need to medica 2. Why would anyone else be taking damage other than the tank in the situation of the first mobs? If the tank only had regen he might have been able to single target the aggro tables of the mobs before doing anything to you (although on WAR, I have no idea why you wouldn't just establish hate from the beginning with your super OP move that is actually called OP), but the Regen ticking on the rest of the party if they didn't need it was totally not needed.


I only assume since you said you Regen, then Med2 (in that order) that if the tank had regen ticks left than all of you did.

[Kiara1]

Why didn't he just click it off? Silly tank

[Tiggy]

Generally healers should avoid regen spells unless really necessary. Especially near the end of a group you're killing in order to minimize this event. That said things happen and the tank should be clicking it of and using actual hate moves to pull. Even popping a cool down can be enough to rip hate from a face pull and popping cool downs in preparation to begin dpsing happens often and is a big risk in a face pull scenario.

[Anubis_Nephthys]

I definitely see that as his fault. Even if you applied that regen at the very end of the first pull, he can easily click it off.
I main PLD, and doing SOMETHING else to aggro the adds is essential.

[Izsha]

Face pulling is dumb. Especially for war who can use a combination of flash and Toma to gather without burning all their tp for the overpower spam to come.

[Risvertasashi]

Generally healers should avoid regen spells unless really necessary.

Terrible advice. Regen increases HP/S throughput (Important in large pulls or just with heavy hitters), aside from being incredibly MP-efficient.

That said, yes, try to time it so it's off when the group dies. Of course, all the tank has to do is right click to take it off...

[Shiki_Lockhart]

Tank fault for not removing regen himself and rush too fast if it was still the first regen you applied in first pack. I bet you didn't have full mp either, after using a few holy and other spells, with the risk of having you out of mp during that pack.

[Neuflune]

I'll leave it to the jury of the community. Is aggro management from status effects (Regen, Medica II, Bard songs, Pet Casts, etc.):
A) the responsibility of the caster.
B) the responsibility of the person who "pulled" the mob.

That actually depends on the situation. In your case, that Regen was casted on his first pull. He -should- have clicked it off.

A different case would be, something that I experience with a friend. He keeps throwing Regen -just- as I pull mobs. If he had regen/medica 2 left over from my first pull, I would have been able to click it off. I had told him nicely many times to please NOT throw Regen just as I pull mobs. He had almost caused wipes because he would get aggro and run through AoEs set on the floor (shadow flare or doton)... and then he would sit there. It pissed me off to the point that I stopped running duties with him for the rest of a day. He said he could "handle it" but that's not the point. The run would go smoother if he just held back from throwing Regen until after I had at least used Flash or Scorn.

Edit:

Oh, bard songs... I have seen many-a bard 'accidentally' pull WoD bosses because they have Foe on before anyone is ready.

[Elusana_Celah]

I main white mage and my husband mains warrior... I regen and medica II each pull cuz the regens add up to create enough heal over time for me to do holy spamming safely without needing to babysit him with cure 2s. He's never once had an issue keeping the hate from the next set of mobs even if he still has a trickle of a regen left on him.

Just another case where someone who sucks at his job places blame on someone else.

HOWEVER, that does not excuse doing things like casting a Medica II while the tank is literally in the process of rounding up the AoE mobs that's just dumb. A trickle of regen leftover can be dealt with by a good tank but you shouldn't be casting Medica II at the start of a fight until the tank has the stuff gathered and does some enmity moves.