Slaughter... What do you think?

[kisada]

Slaughter really just seems like something they jumbled together to hold us over until the next big thing comes along. I'm fine with it being what it is based on its namesake. But you can kind of tell they just threw some big ideas together without any real thought on the details of actual PVP. Healer LB's are boring. Tank LB's are especially boring. Melees are very vulnerable. There is no such thing as balance in this mode.

It's not better than secure for sure. And since its inception the overall accessibility of it all has completely tanked. Queues are godawful again, something that could easily be remedied with the removal of GC restrictions (or at least allowing people to merc).

Again, they seem to have just thrown this all together without thought of the consequences. Playing healers and tanks with boring LB's doesn't make people want to play them again. Casters having ridiculous advantages makes for a really strange dynamic.

That said, this should come as no surprise. The devs have shown time and time again an unwillingness to inject basic common sense into PVP. FFXIV's PVP has immense potential, but it hardly gets the attention it deserves and as a result the people who actually enjoy or could enjoy pvp are often turned away. You can see that now with slaughter and beyond some of the immediate fixes the devs seem to be insistent that their way is the only way at the cost of people's interest (which is deteriorating). SE really needs to get the memo that you create interest by letting people actually play the game.

Some LB stuff i'd change

- Current healer LB is really unfun. Make it chainspell like in ffxi and give healers 10 seconds to cast spells with a .5 GCD. You could either keep your pt alive or jump in the middle of a party and spam holy until out of MP.

- Tank LB is pretty awful too. Maybe give them a 10s immunity or a 10s chainspell-like LB where their GCD falls to .5 GCD. Would be extremely fun to throw up all your defensive buffs and have 10 straight seconds of pure GCD spam where you could take out multiple players.

- Melee LB is fine but playing melee can be quite difficult and puts a lot of pressure on your healers. 10s of immunity/movespeed buff would be pretty nice.

- Caster LB seems fine in its current state. Definitely needed nerf from its previous version.


Overall FFXIV PVP has a slew of issues that need fixing. But if we're talking about slaughter, improving LB's would be a start. Removing GC restrictions would be the biggest things and let really let us have free flowing queues, but I don't see them getting past their absurd notion of the lore being important (it's not).

[AntiSocialPanda]

Slaughter really just seems like something they jumbled together to hold us over until the next big thing comes along.

But you can kind of tell they just threw some big ideas together without any real thought on the details of actual PVP. There is no such thing as balance in this mode.

The devs have shown time and time again an unwillingness to inject basic common sense into PVP. FFXIV's PVP has immense potential, but it hardly gets the attention it deserves and as a result the people who actually enjoy or could enjoy pvp are often turned away. You can see that now with slaughter and beyond some of the immediate fixes the devs seem to be insistent that their way is the only way at the cost of people's interest (which is deteriorating). SE really needs to get the memo that you create interest by letting people actually play the game.

Agreed. SE simply doesn't care. You have the ability to overhaul an entire MMORPG but not fix pvp? No. You just don't care. If nothing changes in 3.0 I'm gone. I'll come back in another year and see of things are better.

[Atreus]

My experience is: people that complain about Slaughter usually are the ones sitting in mid all match not doing anything productive.

Agreed. SE simply doesn't care. You have the ability to overhaul an entire MMORPG but not fix pvp? No. You just don't care. If nothing changes in 3.0 I'm gone. I'll come back in another year and see of things are better.

Interesting...

[AntiSocialPanda]

Interesting...

Nope ...

[KarmaBum]

Interesting...

Good catch.

[AntiSocialPanda]

Good catch.

Not really. I was talking about pvp as a whole not Slaughter. Slaughter is fine.

[Atreus]

Not really. I was talking about pvp as a whole not Slaughter. Slaughter is fine.

Then why did you embolden Kisada's first line about Slaughter?

I can overgeneralize too. Those that complain about PvP are just bad at it. See?

[Red_Wolf]

I can overgeneralize too. Those that complain about PvP are just bad at it. See?

Melee players anyway

[AntiSocialPanda]

Then why did you embolden Kisada's first line about Slaughter?

I can overgeneralize too. Those that complain about PvP are just bad at it. See?

Because Square has shown little concern for the cares of pvpers? I dont have a problem with Slaughter, I do have a problem with Square treating us like second class citizens next to pve.

[Ultimatecalibur]

I suspect the real problem is that SE may have trouble testing 72 man content with unusual party make-ups.

A single Comeator hurts, but is survivable. 8 at once? That will kill full hp vit tanks with Buffs up.