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    Quote Originally Posted by ChiefCurrahee View Post
    They've done it with the /shouts and /yells. Time to do it with the /tells.
    I think its the same filter in place for all chats, if you think about its more efficient to /tell everyone with one character depending on how many rmt are advertising of course, but instead of having multiple characters in each and every city state/zones, they can achieve this goal by one simple character that sends /tells from a starter city.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ChiefCurrahee View Post
    Can't they create filter that recognize phrases like "Hello my friend. 5 min delivery. we have the cheapest giL,come on,my friend " like if the string of text contains key words like "delivery" "gil" "cheap" "handwork" or a few words in a certain order just block that from going out?

    They've done it with the /shouts and /yells. Time to do it with the /tells.

    I've been getting messages I put in the first post for over a week. same phrases. But nothing is blocked. They need to update their filter multiple times a day. the amount of spam is getting to the point of pure frustration.
    I'm totally for this, except the bolded part :P I've been approached by two VERY cool people with that exact same /t :P but yes..... other than that, I agree 100% I've gotten to the point where I just turned the /t chime off, because it was going off so fast, Mist started to have a whole new beat to it, with a chime going off every 3s
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    Ya I agree. I am seeing more and more people go busy to avoid the spam it kinda ruins things as I have friends I wouldn't mind getting tells from but me having to go busy makes it harder for them to contact me :/ . It would also be nice if they created a filter to only get /tells from people on my friends list
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    Last edited by OlyverW; 02-05-2015 at 05:00 AM.

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    Things to keep in mind:
    - Gil spammers are banned (or retired by their creators) VERY quickly. If you notice, it is very, very rare that you will get an RMT tell from the same character twice. RMT have made a SCIENCE out of quickly creating characters in order to keep up the advertising as fast as SE is able to ban the characters.
    - Similarly, RMT have made a science out of tailoring RMT ads to defeat any possible filters SE can put up to catch them, and these filter-defeating strategies are constantly evolving (which is why you'll frequently see different combinations of symbols, and "replace @ with 'gold'" or whatever).
    - While SE DOES have part of their staff dedicated to stopping RMT, 100% of RMT staff is dedicated to promoting RMT. There is no reasonable way for SE to put together a task force comprehensive enough to counter the manpower offered by ALL the RMT in the world.
    - The most effective ways to counter RMT - things like auto-banning any player who includes certain keywords in text, forbidding newbie characters from speaking with other players, or automatically blocking any shout or tell including a web URL, blocking the IP addresses of entire countries known to be notorious for RMT, among other strategies - impose harsh penalties on innocent people playing the game. Some might be comfortable playing under such limitations, but others aren't.

    To sum up, RMT have pretty nearly all the advantages in this war. It speaks well of the RMT task force that things aren't much worse than they are - and if the ffxi gil inflation crisis of 2006 taught us anything, it's that things can be very, very bad indeed. Believe me when I say that SE DOES take RMT very seriously (the progress they made after the 2006 incident was VERY visable), but there is only so much they can do.
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    Last edited by LineageRazor; 02-05-2015 at 04:37 AM.

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    Hi LineageRazor,

    Last year, I posted a suggested functional description (to a non-SE website) for the mitigation of the /tell spammer threat. It was immediately "disapproved" by another player (spammer sympathizer perhaps?) who argued that implementation of keyword triggers would completely crash the Common 3D Tools/Crystal Code (Source Code) and the servers. I also suggested a global blacklist, whereby players benefit from blacklisting done by the first person to report the spammer.

    The predictable words and phrases that spambot owners use with only the last 4 characters varied, indicates that gamemasters have set their filters to filter the entire message, where they should be filtering keywords that no ordinary player would ever use.

    RMT harassment can be mitigated. CCP Software did it via Unholy Rage last July.
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    Last edited by SCUBA_Instr; 02-05-2015 at 11:45 PM. Reason: Fixed spelling error in first line

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    An FC mate that hasn't been on in a while came on last night. She got a ton of tells immediately. She was only on for maybe 10 minutes, and there were about 6 or 7 RMT tells for that short amount of time. She logged off soon after. Thats almost a tell per minute.
    It's become disgusting on Couerl.
    I sometimes get doubles from the same bot, within some seconds of each other.

    The density of tells is stifling without the busy on.
    NEEDS a "Receive tells from friends only" on the busy status -_- I feel it's the only way around it.
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    Nothing Crave, Nothing Have. So zen.
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    Huh, I guess Balmung is an awesome server. I haven't seen any RMT spam in a looong time personally, and I'm in the main cities a lot. Though maybe it because it's hard making new characters here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Miya_Carbuncle View Post
    Huh, I guess Balmung is an awesome server. I haven't seen any RMT spam in a looong time personally, and I'm in the main cities a lot. Though maybe it because it's hard making new characters here.
    I think since it is so full it is hard for new characters to be created so they just can't get in
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    Quote Originally Posted by Miya_Carbuncle View Post
    Huh, I guess Balmung is an awesome server. I haven't seen any RMT spam in a looong time personally, and I'm in the main cities a lot. Though maybe it because it's hard making new characters here.
    Quote Originally Posted by OlyverW View Post
    I think since it is so full it is hard for new characters to be created so they just can't get in
    Same on Ragnarok, been weeks since the last time I saw a RMT tell, world is full not only to legit players but to RMTs also xD Funny.
    Thinking of it, I'm sad for low populated servers :x empty/ghostly towns and housing areas AND spammed by RMT tells, no wonder why OP is becoming crazy, aw.
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