Quote Originally Posted by Lemuria View Post
See, that's where I beg to differ. I've pulled aggro a few times on healer due to regens or cures and it's easily survivable for the short time it takes for the tank to regain aggro. Even throwing up a self-regen should be enough to keep you intact for the duration. If the tank isn't getting the aggro back, then you did more than just fire off a regen.
I agree with you on this. However, I was speaking from the perspective of the event that actually happened in this thread. My statement only reflects on the situation where a healer gets hate from a regen and the tank fails to get the mobs off the healer. The "more than a regen" is going to happen if you're getting smacked. You're gonna cure yourself, which if the tank and you are fighting for hate, then there we go. We have the wipe situation that the OP most likely experienced.

Quote Originally Posted by Lemuria View Post
This is all fine and dandy, but we're talking about roulette 4-man dungeons here, not pulling the highest echelons of the coil onto yourself.
I was talking in reference to my own experience and how I relate in an extreme dungeon to the person I quoted. I was informing them that even good healers can only stay alive for so long. From my own personal experience in DF, at extreme dungeon levels, if I pull hate, if the mobs are still on me after 10 seconds, I'm most likely going to die. Fyi, I'm speaking from the stand point of I've never been in an expert DF group where the tank pulled anything less than 2-3 groups at a time. The mobs of a 4-man do do less damage but on an average healer, if the tank doesn't get the mobs back and there are 2-3 groups hitting them, they won't survive long.

Quote Originally Posted by Lemuria View Post
Even with 4.5k the 'extreme' dungeons would be a cakewalk.
Yea, and yet we have the OP's story where apparently it wasn't a catwalk.

Quote Originally Posted by Lemuria View Post
Honestly, in this instance it just sounds like the tank had tunnel vision and neglected to pull mobs off the healer.
This is the point I was making to Yumi Umi, who believed that it was the healer's fault for what happened. The tank neglected his duties and what Yumi Umi said did not actually offer any reasonable advice nor actual belief that they understood what happened with the OP and their story.