Speedrunning: Status Buffs and Aggro Management.

[LionKing]

Question to the Healer :
1/ Did you stay near the tank,even the mobs go astray and go for you, because you are near the tank, one OP or Flash or Storm Cylone can easy take care of Regen enmity.

2/Did you run to the tank when the adds go for you?

I don't mind you Regen me or Medical 2 on me even, but for the love of God, stay near me or run to me when things go after you instead of screaming and running around like idiot. That is what tick me the most when I am Tanking and the Healer kite the adds away from me, make my job 10 times harder. And the same can be said to DPS.

In your case, since you did not mention about whether you go to the tank when adds went after you or you stay near the tank for the pull, I can't really tell you on the wrong or not but if things turned out as my example, you are also partially blamed as well.

[Alistaire]

Question to the Healer :
1/ Did you stay near the tank,even the mobs go astray and go for you, because you are near the tank, one OP or Flash or Storm Cylone can easy take care of Regen enmity.

2/Did you run to the tank when the adds go for you?

I don't mind you Regen me or Medical 2 on me even, but for the love of God, stay near me or run to me when things go after you instead of screaming and running around like idiot. That is what tick me the most when I am Tanking and the Healer kite the adds away from me, make my job 10 times harder. And the same can be said to DPS.

In your case, since you did not mention about whether you go to the tank when adds went after you or you stay near the tank for the pull, I can't really tell you on the wrong or not but if things turned out as my example, you are also partially blamed as well.

They didn't mention whether they went to the tank, but specifically said tank didn't use any aoe agro management.

[LionKing]

An opening rotation for a pull as Tank is
1/ Shield lob/Tomahawk to one mob in the group. Provoke even in some cases
2/ Flash/OP once the whole group get closed.

Based on the situation OP described, I imagine it was something like this:

Regen on the Tank. Tank went and used Tomahawk on one mob of the group, and waiting for the group to surround him as usual. However, thanks to Regen tick, they now went for the Healer and instead of running to the tank or stay near (my assumption, true or false,I don't know), he ran around and now the Tank could not use Flash or OP because the mobs were all scattered. Hence lead to the wipe because they killed the Healer.

Edit: Here is another situation:

Old Regen is ticking. The door was opened and the Tank went in and agroed the mobs with his pure presence only. Under normal circumstances, the mobs should go for the Tank solely as the DPS had yet opened fire nor the Healer was healing. However,because of the old regen ticked, they now chased after the Healer. Now we have two situation that could happen:

A/ The healer stayed close to the tank or run to the Tank and created an opportunity for the Tank to take them back by using Flash/OP and not use the big healing skills (Medica 2) until the Healer was clear of danger. Despite on that, and the tank failed. Then yes, he was a bad tank.
B/ The healer decided to play a game of Tom and Jerry and kitted the mobs around or run away from the tank (With Sprint or without Sprint) while the healer might or might not cast Regen on himself, causing the Tank had to chase after them and did his best to take things back but failed. In this case, we have a bad Healer as well.

In A scenario, the Tank will be fully taken the blame. In B scenario, the responsibility is shared between the Healer and the Tank.
The wipe could be avoidable if the Healer just stay close or run to the Tank when adds go after them. A good tank will know how to deal with such situation arises. However, they can not if any of the party members being stupid (running away or kite the mobs around) though.

[Alistaire]

Except they also said he never used tomahawk. No offense but maybe you should reread it...

[Neuflune]

Based on the situation OP described, I imagine it was something like this--- words

Dude... did you even read the first post?

As soon as the door was open he ran thru the two wolves, Big-Horned thingie, and AOE vines that slap the ground and beyond. He only used proximity (as opposed to Flash/Overpower/Tomahawk etc.) to aggro the mobs. Unfortunately he still had some regen active from the first fight. A wipe followed shortly thereafter.

It wasn't a group of mob sitting beside the one that was pulled. It was a group of mobs in the OTHER ROOM and the Regen that caused the wipe was not a fresh Regen but -leftover Regen- from the first pull.

[Yumi_umi]

Obvs if the tank doesn\\'t use any aoe emnity managment skills at that time = what is the tank doing? Lol
But op didn\\'t really clarify so u assume otherwise.
I also hate it tho, when the tank gets pummeled and dies and the mobs all transfer onto me, but i can literally survive for quite a while tanking 2-3 mobs in most of the dungeons ( depending if they put debuffs on me i.e paralysis or have an insta cast attack that deals tank busterish moves) but dps half the time seem not to clue in and refuse to attack and finish off the mobs cuz they r scared and they start running back or other odd stuff.
Technically if ur geared , ur mp bar is like a second hp bar. U\\'ll only last as long as you can cast heals lol

But op should really clarify on how they reacted to the tank and dps playstyle during that instance.

[Yumi_umi]

Also what was ur dps comp? I usually see failed speed runs ( remember pug bray hm 2 boss speed runs) usually involved no aoe heavy classes ( i.e any dps that can't perform decent aoe damage ). Things should melt otherwise or at least should have ripped hate off of u. Cuz i'm pretty sure a simple blm rotation would rip most of the mob off of your pre casted medica 2/ regen or a drgn rotation would pick up some as well.
it's either that or ur dps were wearing minimum ilvl requirements lol.
Cuz trying to "keep" aggro over dps is tough as whm as it'd require to spam cure 3, medica 2 and cure 2 a lot.

[WowSuchName]

As a main tank, it is 100% tank responsibility to remove regen/medica2 before the pull.

What annoying more is when DPS attack mob during mob chaining

[Chiramu]

He blamed me; "Don't use regen."
I blamed him; "You might try slowing down and Overpower."

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He should have five stacks so instead of Overpower he could do Steel Cyclone. You also could've told him he can click Regen off of his buffs before his pull.

Speed runners however are not worth the time of day.

[ruskie]

Had something like this happen to me once... tank went "you shouldn't heal me during the pull" I said "you still had regen on you" that was that(tank actually started checking for regen and clicked it off after that before pulls). Yes things die so fast that regen can still be ticking. And yes in this case I give OP the full right.