Speedrunning: Status Buffs and Aggro Management.

[radioactive_lego]

Yesterday I did Ex Roulette, and before greetings were muttered the tank (WAR) took off and pulled the first 2 mobs (AK-HM) and engaged the doorkeeper. I Regen'd the tank, Medica 2'd, then spammed holy 2-3 times and the fight was over - easy, no problem, no hard feelings.

As soon as the door was open he ran thru the two wolves, Big-Horned thingie, and AOE vines that slap the ground and beyond. He only used proximity (as opposed to Flash/Overpower/Tomahawk etc.) to aggro the mobs. Unfortunately he still had some regen active from the first fight. A wipe followed shortly thereafter. Derp, right? But whos derp is it?

He blamed me; "Don't use regen."
I blamed him; "You might try slowing down and Overpower."

I'll leave it to the jury of the community. Is aggro management from status effects (Regen, Medica II, Bard songs, Pet Casts, etc.):
A) the responsibility of the caster.
B) the responsibility of the person who "pulled" the mob.

[JayCommon]

Tank sets the pace, he should have clicked Regen off before pulling the next set.

But he did also have a point....

You probably did not need to medica 2. Why would anyone else be taking damage other than the tank in the situation of the first mobs? If the tank only had regen he might have been able to single target the aggro tables of the mobs before doing anything to you (although on WAR, I have no idea why you wouldn't just establish hate from the beginning with your super OP move that is actually called OP), but the Regen ticking on the rest of the party if they didn't need it was totally not needed.


I only assume since you said you Regen, then Med2 (in that order) that if the tank had regen ticks left than all of you did.

[Tiggy]

Generally healers should avoid regen spells unless really necessary. Especially near the end of a group you're killing in order to minimize this event. That said things happen and the tank should be clicking it of and using actual hate moves to pull. Even popping a cool down can be enough to rip hate from a face pull and popping cool downs in preparation to begin dpsing happens often and is a big risk in a face pull scenario.

[Risvertasashi]

Generally healers should avoid regen spells unless really necessary.

Terrible advice. Regen increases HP/S throughput (Important in large pulls or just with heavy hitters), aside from being incredibly MP-efficient.

That said, yes, try to time it so it's off when the group dies. Of course, all the tank has to do is right click to take it off...

[Kazumac]

Terrible advice. Regen increases HP/S throughput (Important in large pulls or just with heavy hitters), aside from being incredibly MP-efficient.

That said, yes, try to time it so it's off when the group dies. Of course, all the tank has to do is right click to take it off...

Honestly I didn't read Tiggy's post like you did they just mentioned don't use it as the pull ends or is about to end. Like the mobs have 5% hp left. I don't think they are saying not to use regen effects at all.

[Devils_Lawyer]

Dosnt matter what happend before/during/after.

The tank took off with the assumption that everyone in the party knew or was willing to even perform a speed run.

"Hi im going to speedrun thru this, is that ok?"

If only more people tried using that once in a while things would be so much nicer.

[Tiggy]

Terrible advice. Regen increases HP/S throughput (Important in large pulls or just with heavy hitters), aside from being incredibly MP-efficient.

That said, yes, try to time it so it's off when the group dies.

You just repeated exactly what I said.

Generally healers should avoid regen spells unless really necessary. Especially near the end of a group you're killing in order to minimize this event.

Special attention to "UNLESS REALLY NECESSARY" and the parts where I even specifically listed the same caveat you did. My sentence didn't for a second suggest that you should use regens at all now did it? During the start of a really big pull should obviously fall under the necessary category. Reading comprehension please.

[Kiara1]

Why didn't he just click it off? Silly tank

[Anubis_Nephthys]

I definitely see that as his fault. Even if you applied that regen at the very end of the first pull, he can easily click it off.
I main PLD, and doing SOMETHING else to aggro the adds is essential.

[Izsha]

Face pulling is dumb. Especially for war who can use a combination of flash and Toma to gather without burning all their tp for the overpower spam to come.