Job tweaks for expansion or update please!

[DoubleD]

Do you not remember when multiple bards were used in 2.0? I think that bards will have to accept only bad/casual bards will ask for buffs because any good bard is beyond an asset to any raid and group.

There is no situation where a bard is not actively sought in the game right now. For the most healthy and overplayed job the last thing ff needs is the op days of bards to be brought back into the game.

Bards weak:
Frontline
4 man dungeon without Caster and WHM
3 Crystal Tower dungeons
T1-T9
All EX-Primal except Shiva

[AniCelestine]

Bards week*?:
Frontline
4 man dungeon without Caster and WHM (what does this mean? A run without being able to sing Foe's? )
3 Crystal Tower dungeons
T1-T9(why not T10+?)
All EX-Primal except Shiva(why not shiva?)

I want some explanations!

[Avyiur]

Bards weak:
Frontline
4 man dungeon without Caster and WHM
3 Crystal Tower dungeons
T1-T9
All EX-Primal except Shiva

Oh I would love to hear your explanations because this is just lol or a bad attempt at trolling.

[ruskie]

I'm bored so why not... entertain me...

Bards weak:

Frontline

Really? I managed to keep up 3 players from an enemy team busy on me for a couple of minutes harrasing them while the rest of my team did some beatdown on their now nearly halved team.

4 man dungeon without Caster and WHM

Really? Then you have yet to see a a competant bard. Stuff melts away if played properly.

3 Crystal Tower dungeons

Erm... derp raids that you can afk123 and still beat?

T1-T9

Because being able to kite, dodge mechanics while keeping near 100% uptime dps on anything is bad why?

All EX-Primal except Shiva

Titan would love to have a word with you. What's that? Sorry didn't hear you as you was landslid down to the bottom.

[Kuwagami]

And Bards were never OP anyway, it was melee classes who were too weak.

One guy here didn't play bard in 2.0
Bards were melee damage without melee range. Why would you want to bring anything else (apart maybe one mage for LB ?)

Bards weak:

Frontline

The amount of bards with battle high and battle fever makes me think the contrary

4 man dungeon without Caster and WHM

As I've already said, you're losing maybe 2 minutes in a dungeon that overgearing makes stupid easy and quick. Dungeons are balanced to last 35-45 minutes for a normally geared team. whatver the composition is. If you're expecting a 15 minutes run everytime, stop doing dungeons or do them only with competent players utterly overgeared.

3 Crystal Tower dungeons

again, +/- 5 minutes in an half an hour long dungeon. At this point it's totally irrelevant, especially considering that dps have nearly instant queues for Syrcus and WoD (compared to 5-30 minutes for tanks)

T1-T9

flat out nope. Bards aren't weak there. Being able to deal with all the mechanics while still performing perfect dps will never be a weakness. Tell me that again when melees/casters can maintain their dps while feeding in T1, passing rot between casters in T2, kite in T7 (pre nerf of course...), place meteor in T9, etc etc...

All EX-Primal except Shiva

I'd love an explanation on this, considering garuda is melee's bane, titan is everyone's bane, Ifrit has dps issues due to people overgearing it (hard enrage @10%), leviathan's phase skipping is an horror, and Ramuh's mechanics being more easily handled with a kiter (SMN can do it too eventually but still)