Thread: Yoshi P: Please Consider a Better Raiding System in 3.0 - Beyond Statics

What about a coin slot system? The coins are categorized by tank heal dps coins (dps can be divided again by melee and ranged). Each turn drops coins and players can need roll them based on their roles. Then they go to a designated area and put in a coin and get a drop based on the job they are on when they push in the coins as long as the coins match the jobs role. You cannot get duplicates this way. So if you have a leg piece on you, the slot machine cannot give another leg piece. The rng is now about when, not if.

The coins can be further tiered by grades. Gold silver and bronze to ensure the later turns provide the better reward pools. By fcob example, t10 and 11 only drop bronzes while 12 drops silver and bronze and 13 drops gold and silver. Gold slots are weapons. Silver are chest and legs and some pieces. Bronze are accessories and some feet and head pieces.

Some pro cons is that a static can divide their loot absolutely equally while pure pug playes will have constant competition (offset by less rng once they have coins?). The number of coins needed for the slots can be adjusted to allow repeat runs? Like, first weekly kill drops a sack of 5 coins for a roll and a slot pull is 5 coins while repeat runs with non statics give out 1 coin multiple times?

In most MMOs people design and recruit for their guild around the max number of players needed for end game. For example a popular mmo with 25 man raids you would have your core 25 raiders + 3-5 bench players because there will people who can't show up for whatever reason and non raiders who are there to be casual or social with the other people who do raid.

FFXIV is no different its just instead of 25 that number is 8.

Originally Posted by Zumi

In most MMOs people design and recruit for their guild around the max number of players needed for end game. For example a popular mmo with 25 man raids you would have your core 25 raiders + 3-5 bench players because there will people who can't show up for whatever reason and non raiders who are there to be casual or social with the other people who do raid.

FFXIV is no different its just instead of 25 that number is 8.

Now this is false, you dont recruit specifically for bench, was replying to someone else, but its the same thing, you recruit and rotate out fairly, as its not possible to have people for 100% but you still want everyone to basically meet your criteria, this is just using worse case scenario.

Originally Posted by raelgun

Now this is false, you dont recruit specifically for bench, was replying to someone else, but its the same thing, you recruit and rotate out fairly, as its not possible to have people for 100% but you still want everyone to basically meet your criteria, this is just using worse case scenario.

Several top end guilds in wow recruit for the bench. If your guild is really good enough you will have people willing to join for the bench because bench players are the ones that get a full time position when one opens up from someone quitting.

Originally Posted by Zumi

Several top end guilds in wow recruit for the bench. If your guild is really good enough you will have people willing to join for the bench because bench players are the ones that get a full time position when one opens up from someone quitting.

A number of top ends guilds may do this, not all and most guilds under bleeding edge for world first do not function like this.

Are you really gonna assume that most guilds that are average - above average really only have benched players for this? I've never come across this and I was on hordes largest PVE server on EU at the time Draenor.

Raelgun is right, everyone else is wrong. Close the thread - discussion over.

Originally Posted by Alipoprocks

Raelgun is right, everyone else is wrong. Close the thread - discussion over.

Oh since this is your attitude, will make this my last response to you, at least respond properly with points against my posts in a more civilised manner in this debate, dont like my posts thats fine, but to act childish like that, wonder who may be the problem then when it comes to the 7th group for coil then.

Originally Posted by raelgun

Oh since this is your attitude, will make this my last response to you, at least respond properly with points against my posts in a more civilised manner in this debate, dont like my posts thats fine, but to act childish like that, wonder who may be the problem then when it comes to the 7th group for coil then.

I only say this because you responded to everyone's post saying they are wrong, "false," and don't even try to consider what other people are dealing with because that is not your experience.

It's great that you are able to have people to rotate in your group. I don't know anyone else that is able to do that. We were able to do that at launch. But every month there were groups of people that quit. When we got new people, some would quit or wouldn't work out. So good for you that everything is working out for you. But that is not a lot of peoples' experience and makes this game troublesome.

Can I just say that I like playing in a small group? It's kinda funny but smaller groups are more... intimate. It's pretty natural for big groups to break into smaller cliques actually, though I suppose that's not very important here. Still, I suppose if coil is the only thing you do with your fc/ls or whatever, this would be a pretty restrictive system.

The weekly loot lockout is pretty okay with me too. Yeah, it sucks not seeing a drop you want for month(s), but to be fair we are getting alternative gear from the tomes and the item to upgrade that is always dropping every week (assuming we get the clear), so we are still getting functional gear in the mean time.