Thread: Yoshi P: Please Consider a Better Raiding System in 3.0 - Beyond Statics

We're a static/flexi-raid of 13 people, who actively play main and second classes in raids, currently T13 progress. We vote on a weekly base who has time on our raid days (tues,wed,thurs,sun,mon) and then choose 3 days with a suitable team composition. The biggest disadvantage is that progression is slower in comparison to a static of 8. Main advantages are that most people learn the fights from different perspectives and anyone can take a break without the burden of busting the raid, we all have our RL issues and it can always happen that something unplanned occurs which is bad if you have only the needed 8. We keep track how many kills everybody has on a turn and who needs what from each turn, so we try to equally distribute the kills among all members. Sometimes, we are enough to go for a third chest since they were introduced.

Originally Posted by raelgun

The fact that they aren't doing anything about it and just whinging and wanting the system to change says it all they cant adapt to a system in this game thats been in place for over a year now.

Why cant you have in your team a number greater then 8 and rotate them out on a daily basis, whats stopping you from this, greed is whats making people just stick to 8 and not expanding on this number.

I'm not sure that by calling people greedy, your main goal was to show a friendly attitude in your post :/

You know, not everyone are able or ok to rotate for end game activities such as instanced raiding content in ffxiv and this is mostly due to the nature itself of the said content.
Progressing through instanced places such as coil is less likely going to be "rotation system" friendly.
Why? Just because there is not much point to voluntary nerf your progression rate since you are going to need the best of your team mates in order to reach the mandatory skill level, harmony, tight dps/heal checks needed.

So you will probably reply with something like "but it's not a race! Do you want to be the best/first to clear contents or do you want to socialize with other raiders. You could totally put a rotation system there"
Eh... Why not both? Why we would have to heavily punish our members in order to create an "half-working" community?
And yeah, heavily punishing is the right word to me, benching players of your FC just in order to possibly rotate people in 8 man instanced contents with a weekly lockout is really sad, because someone will always feel left out at a point.

I have no idea of the size of your FC but how many benched players do you have every weeks? And how many of them have to PUG their coils at the end of the week because they were locked out? Is it acceptable or just very sad?

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that Rotation system with a roster and even some sort of "intending-points" are bad in a general way. But they are not working for current FFXIV end game.
To be fair it was working greatly for most openworld endgame contents in the other mmos I experienced, because you could split people to different places for different tasks and repeating them with no heavy lockout. (at max, you had to wait the repop of X NM for an hour or to wait the specific server time of a place, there was also force spawn fights too).

Originally Posted by Duelle

Lockouts have nothing to do with why people aren't seeing content and running with their FCs. Raid size is to blame here.

Both actually xD It's a double loose system : Raid size system locked to 8 + weekly lockout preventing to help other people.

Originally Posted by Alistaire

I've paid a lot of attention to all the major forums and announcements and have yet to see a post quoting him saying it bothers him, or that he's even commented on it. Link?

The last time Yoshi-P made some sort of official answer about the subject was like a couple of months later after the launch of ARR during an interview, to him, if I recall his words, he said something like "Mercenary players who does selling exist, they are a part of the game and can be considered as a role playing activity".

But 2.45 proved us that his opinion may have radically changed since.
No offence really but the answer is kind of obvious when you become a raider and experience the evolution of different mechanics they worked on since scob, they always heavily punished the mistake (or the inactivity) of a single player leading to the whole wipe of the team.

Originally Posted by Atomnium

The last time Yoshi-P made some sort of official answer about the subject was like a couple of months later after the launch of ARR during an interview, to him, if I recall his words, he said something like "Mercenary players who does selling exist, they are a part of the game and can be considered as a role playing activity".

But 2.45 proved us that his opinion may have radically changed since.
No offence really but the answer is kind of obvious when you become a raider and experience the evolution of different mechanics they worked on since scob, they always heavily punished the mistake (or the inactivity) of a single player leading to the whole wipe of the team.

But see? Where's your proof of this radically changed opinion? What happened in 2.45 where he says he's against it? You're basically just perpetuating a rumor that either started/restarted or gained a wider audience around that time without a link to back up the statement. Especially if he's previously said it's ok, which I vaguely recall now that you mention that.

Originally Posted by Alistaire

But see? Where's your proof of this radically changed opinion? What happened in 2.45 where he says he's against it? You're basically just perpetuating a rumor that either started/restarted or gained a wider audience around that time without a link to back up the statement. Especially if he's previously said it's ok, which I vaguely recall now that you mention that.

O.O;; Awww, calm your socks dude :O
Since when I'm "perpetuating rumors", I'm not even the one who talked about it in the first place... Sapphic did :3 (I'm so sorry Sapphic, it's your problem now, aw.)

Originally Posted by Sapphic

Not to mention, limiting chest drops based on how many have cleared it sends a clear signal to Content sellers.

I didn't know that clear selling subject was a matter of life and death, to me it was just earning pocket money with sells to buy housing stuffs xD.

Originally Posted by Atomnium

I didn't know that clear selling subject was a matter of life and death, to me it was just earning pocket money with sells to buy housing stuffs xD.

I agree Atom. It feels like some people have resistance to allowing a more flexible Raid Group (having more than 8 players being able to raid per week together (rotating in, etc.)) because it might cut into their profits for Selling Clears?

People who want to spend money will spend money regardless. I've seen shouts & PF requests for paid help on FATE grinding (before the Atma Drop Rate increase). I've seen PF for paying Tanks to help grind Primal Horses, LOL.

I hope the Dev Team considers updates for 3.0.