Yoshi P: Please Consider a Better Raiding System in 3.0 - Beyond Statics

[Kiara]

Issue: End Game Raid System (Lockout and Loot) engenders an extremely rigid, non-community behavior for players.

With a weekly lockout and a chance to loot all chests available only to 8 players who haven’t completed the raid for the week, Yoshi P’s current system promotes a very specific grouping of ONLY 8 Players (of specific jobs), and that’s it.

The system is inherently unfriendly towards any Free Company or Linkshell or groups of friends who have more than 8 people that want to play together.

This is *not* a request for large-scale raiding (although that would help alleviate some of the issues), as Yoshi P has spoken on that matter, but rather a call for an Improved System for Raiding in 3.0 and beyond, for the health of player base and Free Companies / Linkshells / Community in general.

As an example, in 1.0, the highest end content did not have 100% drop rate for rewards, and as a result, it did not have any Weekly Lockout. With a lower drop rate and no weekly lockout, *and* a 100% Token Drop, players were able to have LS and groups of friends with *more* than 8 people and rotate people in, so that everyone in your particular group had a chance to raid together.

This is just an example of type of method different from what we have now. I just hope for a better system in 3.0 to enable players beyond a fixed # to raid together.

Just look at each Server’s Sub-Forum here on the FF Forums and on Reddit: It’s FILLED with threads of players asking and asking and asking for Statics to join, so that they might participate in end game content together.

Currently FC and LS groups with more than 8 players have to resort to either forming another group with exactly another 8 players (of the right jobs), or those that are the “odd number out,” have to go look for static groups on their own. Players are *pushed away* from their own FC / LS / Group of Friends because of the inherent design of the Weekly Lockout and Loot System.

I sincerely hope Yoshi P and the Dev Team can consider a better Raid System in 3.0, where players can come together and raid consistently without needing exactly 8 people each week.

Perhaps it’s taking a cue from a system Yoshi P put in 1.0 for Primals (before the servers went down for 2.0):

* Low Drop Rate on the actual featured Items.
* 100% Token Drop Rate per win.
* No Weekly Lockout.

Players could earn enough Tokens (if they were unlucky with drops) to eventually trade them in for an item of their choosing from that battle.

While the current Coil chests drop something of value 100% of the time, the current Loot Pools are so gigantic and the Random Number Generator is so random, that for many, it takes MONTHS to ever get the item they wanted, let alone NEVER seeing something drop (e.g., I never got my Tank Body from T9 (nor the Sword) (never saw them drop in all the runs I did, even after Echo Buff and no lockouts). It’s almost like having a “low drop rate” system anyways.

I’m not saying the above is the ideal solution, but I do hope the Dev Team can improve upon our Raiding System now to accommodate FC / LS / Groups of Friends to be able to do end game raids together beyond just an “8 Person Static Only!” mentality.

This can only help the health of FF XIV and allow a real feeling of Community to grow in 3.0 and beyond. Thanks.

[Zumi]

No thanks to low drop rate / no lockout out on new content this promotes no life gameplay. Nobody wants to go back to the 1% drop rates of 1.0, where you spam a bunch of easy content over and over. I think the system we have now is fine.

[lololink]

Have a FC for fun and a LS for raids, that solves most issues to gather 8 members.

[Krr]

Sorry OP, but reducing the exclusivity (and therefore organizational drama) of raiding would 'reduce the content's lifespan' - ie, make it less profitable to sell raids.

[Magis]

Sorry OP, but reducing the exclusivity (and therefore organizational drama) of raiding would 'reduce the content's lifespan' - ie, make it less profitable to sell raids.

People still buy/sell raids? Like I get it back in 2.0 when relics required Titan HM when it was hard, but... really? Coil will get nerfed anyway cause it seems it's more about the gear then the experience of getting said gear. And yes, reducing the content lifespan is a valid concern, regardless how sarcastically you say it is.

[Krr]

People still buy/sell raids?

Yes.

And yes, reducing the content lifespan is a valid concern, regardless how sarcastically you say it is.

S-E's item level curve and content reward distribution kills content faster than natural player burnout. SCOB was still being run in DF pretty much all day every day through the entirety of 2.4 and only died off when DF players all moved into hunts. Content lifespan being 'killed' by making it accessible to pubbies doesn't...actually happen, at least not fast enough with how the content cycle of XIV moves.

[kyuven]

We compete enough with the RNGods as it is. Please, no more. No more.
Think of the children.

[Codek]

Didn't they already change the lock-out so that players that already cleared content can re-do it with another group (at the cost of less rewards)?

[Kiara]

Didn't they already change the lock-out so that players that already cleared content can re-do it with another group (at the cost of less rewards)?

Yes, they did, but the new rule doesn't really promote *long-term* sustainability of guilds (FC / LS / Groups of Friends). Sure you can help them clear it perhaps, but with only 1 or No Chests at all. No one wants to do that long-term (for the betterment of the community).

The point is that what do you do with a FC / LS / Friends that are beyond the magic number of 8? "Sorry, we're full. Go find your own group to do stuff with. Bye."

How is this healthy for the long-term community of players? It's not.

[Welsper59]

Like WoWs flex raid system for the player requirement thing? I mean... that would be nice, but it's not exactly an easy task to take. It actually requires a complete rewrite of how the dungeons/raids are designed. Given the strict timeline that FFXIV has with its 1-3 month content release, this would be a system that is FAR from fruition. Maybe if they did things like Blizzard (6-13 months before content patch releases), then we'd see something like that happen sooner, but even for WoW... it took over 11yrs for some players to see lol.

As far as loot goes, I don't think this is an issue for the grand majority of people that actually do endgame during its time to shine (pre-echo, pre-nerf, pre-DF, etc). And in reality, they're the ones who have the most say on that matter. I mean, you, the OP, might be one of them, but it really doesn't seem like an issue.