3rd Retainer by Default, please?

[Nyalia]

Short version: We're doing a thing.

Actually, it's more like "we're thinking about doing a thing if we feel you actually need to store more stuff."

What I really want to see is an "Equipment Guide" similar to the Fish Guide where, when you acquire an item from dungeon loot, the item appears in the guide, and then you can cast glamours from the guide (still consuming glamour prisms of course) without needing the actual item. This should consume even less space than expanding the armoire (if that's even possible), since the actual item would not be retrievable in any way. That would be really neat and solve all my space concern issues.

Personally, I had one retainer with nothing on them except 170+ untradeable equipment items for glamour in case I ever wanted one for an outfit. Re-farming a specific dungeon for a specific drop is annoying, and I can't get a list of items I do not have to use the "Try On" feature with if the item is untradeable (tradeable items can be tried-on via searches on the Market Board). I recently had to go through and remove items I'm unlikely to use for glamour, or that were principally reskins of an item that there was a dyeable version of, but if I find out later that I wanted one for a look, I'll be pretty sad.

[Yohkohino]

They really need to add some sort of additional space. Mules would be amazing or simply adding the option to buy (with in-game gil) an additional tab(100 slots) to each of our retainers. This way, people who need the room get it, and the people who don't care, don't need to get it. Best of all, the people complaining about more retainers being added won't have to worry. I'd say though, that it should only be an option if you buy at least 1 retainer first. (That way, they're making some money at least for the extra space.)

We need more space. That is the truth. However, not everyone needs room. If you make it free, think of all the potential wasted space that all the gil sellers are taking up. And all those people that level only 1 class and quit the game. This is why it'd be better to make it optional and through in-game gil. The option to give each retainer an extra tab slot each(100 slots) and 1 tab slot max per retainer (For now) would be a dream come true.

[Zumi]

Need an extra one in 3.0 for sure for all that extra gear we will need for leveling all jobs to 60

[FranSeara]

I'm looking into getting a 4th retainer. I'll need a 5th sooner or later. Having more storage place all together would help.

[BlaiseArath]

I cant even fathom how you people can use so much space. Even hording left-over mats from my Daily turn ins I still have many completely open inventory Pages between me and my two Retainers. My basic inventory is literally 1 page. Consisting of my food, medicine, Alex/Paper, and whatever synth mats I've picked up from a dungeon and havent NPC'd yet.

I'll admit I only have 4 Jobs at 50, but I just can't see how adding even 5 more would cause my inventory to require 5 retainers worth of junk. Is it all glamour? I admit my Armor storage is a bit cramped in the Body/Main hand department... but outside of that.. I get that just because I don't have the issue, doesn't mean the issue itself does not exist. I'm just curious WHAT you all have stored. What is causing these inventory issues?

I don't even recall my maximum space because its not something I've given a lot of thought too x.x;

[M0xie]

Short version: We're doing a thing.

The important message here is it could have been "XYZ reason we aren't doing a thing."

[Nyalia]

I cant even fathom how you people can use so much space.

Most of it is glamour, or leveling equips for new jobs when they're released. Consider the pre-50 unique dungeon gear (some untradeable, some not): there are 3-4 sets at each tier (tank, physical DPS, healer/caster, and then sometimes DRG gets their own set). There's a tier at level 15 (acolyte, foestriker, plundered [extra versions of plundered for some slots]), level 20 ([not full sets]), level 24 ([not full sets]), level 32 (battlemage, infantry, cavalry), level 38 ([not full sets]), and level 44 (buccaneer, templar, harlequin, and sentinel). There are also dungeon sets at i55, i60, i70, i80, i100, and the higher you get, the more these are specific to a smaller set of classes so you get more of them. Then there's the philo, myth, soldiery, and poetics sets, the LotA, ST, and WoD sets, the First, Second, and Final Coil sets, and then all the highly expensive glamour items.

If you're someone who likes to leave options open for glamour, you have to store something like 3 types * 5 slots * 21 tiers = 315 items. And that's assuming there's only three sets per tier (at the higher tiers, there are six (fending, healing, casting, maiming, striking, aiming), at the highest, there are seven (fending, healing, casting, maiming, striking, ranging, scouting), and for Myth, there are ten). This ignores the crafted sets, even though the high end sets (i70, i90, i110) are not ones where you'd just make an item for glamour and then throw it away because you can get a new one due to their priciness. Oh, and I didn't include the PvP gear where, for the i100 and i110 items, there are 10 sets of each (plus some of the i90 gear has a pretty unique look, iirc). It's also assuming you only care about the five primary glamour slots - it doubles if you add in accessories/belts, and skyrockets if you include weapons.

To completionists who like to have access to one of everything (at least for something like glamour), it's not unreasonable to try to get the whole set for most of these, especially the unique endgame sets like the ST and Second Coil sets. Because of class restrictions on the glamour system, it's often not enough to have one item with a given look - even if two classes have gear that looks the same except for a recolor, due to the class restrictions, you need to keep both.

So, ignoring crafting mats, atma, dyes, materia, demimateria, gardening items, food, choco feed, unused furniture, potions, unarmoireable seasonal/achievement items, fireworks, maps, and wedding invitations, it's definitely possible to run out of your 450 inventory slots (and 300 armory chest slots, which need to include stuff like crafting/gathering gear and your actively used gear for each class) just by keeping items for glamour.

[FranSeara]

FYI: I have 3 retainers The 1st retainer holds ALL the weapons I've earned with ALL the class/jobs I play. My 2nd retainer hold All mats related to Alky, ie: bones plants, potions et. My 3rd retainer hold my Cloths and rings and such. Having most all the jobs at 50 adds up. I've just started miner, weaver and goldsmith. I'll need extra space to all the mats needed to do the jobs. My biggest problem is I like to have 3 to 4 differant/looks per jobs I play. I have a low level look,mid look and high end look for each job. I almost always play at time level for the Dfs I join. Personal choice....lol
ps: I'll be paying for that extra retainer this weekend.

[Noxifer]

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I wish we could click the Like button more than once D: I'd Like this ten times if I could.

I have one retainer filled to the brim with level 50 gear only, and that's with just one page worth of weapons (shared between all jobs).
I have one that's almost filled with materia/demimateria only. (Three pages with some random culinarian mats, high-star crafting mats and glamour prisms from when I couldn't make them myself.)
One with pre-50 gear and two pages of crafting mats. Both for glamour and good pink gear for the classes I'm still levelling. Have had to throw some things away already >.< (Read: throw at my GC) And I've sold off a lot of my crafting mats, too, once the gear part of her inventory grew beyond the three pages I'd initially allotted to it.
The fourth retainer holds furniture, fireworks, dyes and unique items like phantasia potions, behemoth horns and atmas. [Edit: Plus some i90 accessories waiting for my desynth skill to get that high...]

And my personal inventory hovers between 80/100 and 98/100, and my armoury is rarely below 22/25 on each type (weapons and rings are always at 25/25, with spare zeniths and each job using two rings; left-side equipment's not far behind).

It's interesting that some people seem to excuse the lack of mule-enabling with the "you're meant to do everything with one character" reasoning, while at the same time seemingly not considering that if you're meant to do all classes with one character, you should have more storage space to help you with that compared to a character in a game where you're locked into one class and can at most do two or three crafting classes (which often don't require separate gear). Not less (per class).

[Nyalia]

Despite being a completionist who loves to play dress up, I finally did a thorough cleaning of my three retainers recently. After ditching all the crafting materials that were selling for <1000 (after factoring in stack size) and ditching any equipment that I would never wear (mostly helmets, hair was meant to be free!) or which was identical in look to another item that the same classes could wear, I still only had about ~50 spaces free out of the 625 available to me (I don't really count Armory Chest space, even though the new crafter/gatherer sets have freed up space there, mostly because any spare room is filled with SB gear). I also ditched all weapons that weren't the best one for the class, the class relic, or something that looked amazing (Shadow Bow!) and that didn't really help.

I'd really love more space, personally, or some info regarding the idea of an Equipment Guide. I could have sworn a community member had mentioned the idea at some point, but that may just be wishful remembering. If we're going to get something down the line that will let us record the items we've found, that's more incentive to cling to them now rather than re-farming them all later.