3rd Retainer by Default, please?

[Intaki]

I never said you needed to farm ventures. The point I was making is that the player can chose to do something that earns ventures in order to fuel their retainers actions, or they can chose to gather/farm whatever items themselves, or craft, or do something else entirely.

There is literally no activity in this game outside of plain old crafting that does not carry the potential to reward you with ventures. Leves reward ventures, hunts reward seals which reward ventures, FATEs reward seals which reward ventures, dungeons/raids reward gear which reward seals which reward ventures. If you're not swimming in either Allied/GC seals or ventures themselves, you're not playing the game.

You say that's all game play, fine it's all game play, but does me having 4 retainers mean I can sell things for twice the price of someone else?

No, you just acquire them at twice the speed.

[Kosmos992k]

No, you just acquire them at twice the speed.

Twine the number of retainers require twice the number of ventures to use to maximum effect, that requires a time investment from the player. Rationalize it however you like the truth is the truth. In my opinion there is no inherent advantage to having 1 or 2 paid retainers since everything that can be accomplished with them is completely dependent on player action.

[Intaki]

Twine the number of retainers require twice the number of ventures to use to maximum effect

Which would matter if ventures weren't utterly trivial to acquire.

But while you are entitled to your own opinion, you are not entitled to your own facts. And the fact is that a person with four retainers can conjure into existence items of high value at twice the speed as a person with two.

[Kosmos992k]

Which would matter if ventures weren't utterly trivial to acquire.

But while you are entitled to your own opinion, you are not entitled to your own facts. And the fact is that a person with four retainers can conjure into existence items of high value at twice the speed as a person with two.

That 'conjuring' of high value items is, as far as I can remember, dependent on using ventures and being smiled upon by the RNG...hardly an automatic thing eh?

To echo your words...But while you are entitled to your own opinion, you are not entitled to your own facts. And the fact is that additional retainers do not in any way alter your abilities in the game, nor do retainers create anything on their own, they require the player to do something.

[Atomnium]

/supporting a free third retainer.
Storing more items is giving us a lot of headaches, lately I just started to simply toss away my leviathan weapons, because... Full is full and some old stuffs can't be exchanged for seals or even stored in the armoire :x

[Intaki]

That 'conjuring' of high value items is, as far as I can remember, dependent on using ventures and being smiled upon by the RNG...hardly an automatic thing eh?

Quick ventures are for gambling addicts and newbies. The real money is in Mining/Botnay ventures, which give guaranteed returns on specific items which can be sold for a premium.

And again, you ignore the basic truth that extra retainers do change gameplay; specifically, they double the rate of acquisition and thus the rate of income a player with only two retainers can hope to achieve. That is a significant gameplay advantage.

[Gilthas]

And again, you ignore the basic truth that extra retainers do change gameplay; specifically, they double the rate of acquisition and thus the rate of income a player with only two retainers can hope to achieve. That is a significant gameplay advantage.

I think we have different definitions of "significant".

[KariArisu]

I think we have different definitions of "significant".

The tens of millions of Gil I've obtained from having more than 2 retainers must not be significant then.