3rd Retainer by Default, please?

[JillyBean]

As a hoarder, I'd like to be able to buy a 5th+ retainer.

[Magis]

If you need another retainer, buy one from the retainer services. If you don't want to buy one, get rid of some of your stuff. How the hell are you even filling them up? I can understand for marketboards, but then just wait as things sell off.

[MageBlack]

The only extra space that makes sense to add in the upcoming expansion would be expand our Armory Chest by 5 slots per equipment piece. But even then, just manage your stuff, stop hoarding. I have inventory shortage and i bought an extra retainer but I KNOW its my own fault for not wanting to throw out equipment. I just wish there was something we could do with some equipment other than toss it. Got some i50+ gear that I cant break down, can't sell at MW, and my only other option is to toss it or sell it for 50g at a vendor. Regarding that point though, I havent gotten to the desynthing part yet. Can you desynth ANY gear?

[Lycelle]

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I'm not against this. But I'm not for this. Asking for a 3rd retainer by default is just going to spit in the face of people who already paid for their third retainer already. It would be a huge backfire and SE isn't going to be giving refunds any time soon. It's either you buy a retainer or make an alt. Pick your poison.

[Saseal]

I'm not against this. But I'm not for this. Asking for a 3rd retainer by default is just going to spit in the face of people who already paid for their third retainer already. It would be a huge backfire and SE isn't going to be giving refunds any time soon. It's either you buy a retainer or make an alt. Pick your poison.

I agree with this (after reading your post... and after already posting mine x.x). If I did pay for a third retainer, then suddenly all is free, I'd be pissed. Only way they would be able to make up for it is if they got a free retainer on top of their already paid - but even then, they may not even need that new fourth. I'd still be pissed.

but yeah, it'a bit of a pickle. So many people would be happy; so many people would be angry (rightfully)

what if the free retainers only offered half the amount of space? Or lacked other retainer abilities? (ventures, etc)

[BigPapaSmurf]

I'm not against this. But I'm not for this. Asking for a 3rd retainer by default is just going to spit in the face of people who already paid for their third retainer already...

Prorating wouldn't be too hard, and they could easily avoid the most of it by announcing a 3rd retainer is coming free-of-charge in just over a month to everybody, even sooner for those who currently have a paid-retainer.

It's not a spit in the face to say, "hey, you don't have to pay anymore!" if a bonus is provided for past spenders or pro-ration occurs.

Seriously, let's say your grocery rewards card costs $ monthly & they announce to everybody that we're now making it free to everybody, no strings attached.

Really, is that really worthy of complaint? Especially if they provide some sort of simple, generous thank you to those who've paid faithfully in the past.

That's like saying (rage), "THANKS A LOT SE for reducing the subscription fee after I've been paying $15/mo. for a year straight!"

You received what you paid for in the time that it cost, that was your choice. Now, if it's to become free, simply receive it with gladness.

Shoot, I pay for a third Retainer right now & I'd be happy to not have to pay anymore; I'd be happy for everybody, but maybe that's just me.

[Lycelle]

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People already paid money, 100's if not 1,000's of people have already paid money for a 3rd retainer. It's not fair to them. Also reducing the monthly cost of a sub is not the same principle as making it completely free.

Let's do a little math.
Each Retainer = 2$ and lets just get a 3rd retainer for the sake of the thread here.
Non Legacy Subscription = 15$/month.
Now, adding on the retainer fee. It increases to 17$ a month.
Let's add that together, you pay for a full year of XIV with the fee of 17$ a month over the span of 12 months.
17 x 365 D/a Yr = 6,205 Dollars. That is just for a 3rd retainer.

Now let's say we have 100 people who have all done the same thing and are on a month to month payment method.
That is 620,500$

There is no way in hell SE is refunding that kind of money just because a few people want a 3rd retainer for free.

[Krr]

People already paid money, 100's if not 1,000's of people have already paid money for a 3rd retainer. It's not fair to them.

It's perfectly fair to them. They paid for a third retainer when it was considered a luxury service. Now they're not paying for a third retainer, because it's considered a free, mandatory necessity for everyone.

The advantage they invested in for the past year in being able to hold more inventory capital ahead of everyone else didn't magically disappear, and they aren't suddenly paying more than everyone for 'extra inventory space'. They're paying the exact same amount of gil for the exact same amount of slots.

[Lycelle]

It's perfectly fair to them. They paid for a third retainer when it was considered a luxury service. Now they're not paying for a third retainer, because it's considered a free, mandatory necessity for everyone.

The advantage they invested in for the past year in being able to hold more inventory capital ahead of everyone else didn't magically disappear, and they aren't suddenly paying more than everyone for 'extra inventory space'. They're paying the exact same amount of gil for the exact same amount of slots.

Versus people who are paying nothing because they got it for free.

[Silverbear]

[QUOTE=Lycelle;

Let's do a little math.
Each Retainer = 2$ and lets just get a 3rd retainer for the sake of the thread here.
Non Legacy Subscription = 15$/month.
Now, adding on the retainer fee. It increases to 17$ a month.
Let's add that together, you pay for a full year of XIV with the fee of 17$ a month over the span of 12 months.
17 x 365 D/a Yr = 6,205 Dollars. That is just for a 3rd retainer.

Now let's say we have 100 people who have all done the same thing and are on a month to month payment method.
That is 620,500$ [/QUOTE]


Maybe im not understanding ur example here but isnt ur math way off here we pay by the month not day a 17$ sub for 12 months is not 6,205 dollars.At 17$ a month 17x12= $204 dollars a yr and with the 100 ppl doing same =$20,400 dollars? Again maybe im misunderstanding