3rd Retainer by Default, please?

[Noxifer]

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I wish we could click the Like button more than once D: I'd Like this ten times if I could.

I have one retainer filled to the brim with level 50 gear only, and that's with just one page worth of weapons (shared between all jobs).
I have one that's almost filled with materia/demimateria only. (Three pages with some random culinarian mats, high-star crafting mats and glamour prisms from when I couldn't make them myself.)
One with pre-50 gear and two pages of crafting mats. Both for glamour and good pink gear for the classes I'm still levelling. Have had to throw some things away already >.< (Read: throw at my GC) And I've sold off a lot of my crafting mats, too, once the gear part of her inventory grew beyond the three pages I'd initially allotted to it.
The fourth retainer holds furniture, fireworks, dyes and unique items like phantasia potions, behemoth horns and atmas. [Edit: Plus some i90 accessories waiting for my desynth skill to get that high...]

And my personal inventory hovers between 80/100 and 98/100, and my armoury is rarely below 22/25 on each type (weapons and rings are always at 25/25, with spare zeniths and each job using two rings; left-side equipment's not far behind).

It's interesting that some people seem to excuse the lack of mule-enabling with the "you're meant to do everything with one character" reasoning, while at the same time seemingly not considering that if you're meant to do all classes with one character, you should have more storage space to help you with that compared to a character in a game where you're locked into one class and can at most do two or three crafting classes (which often don't require separate gear). Not less (per class).

[BlaiseArath]

Postie

Excellent explanation, and that I will say with absolute sincerity. However, now that I've got my actual sincerity out of the way.. I will chalk it up to an almost serial killer level of illogical hording. Stawp.

Now, this is separate from my response above to you and more toward the solution asked for in this thread... so for this particular solution. I don't think we should increase inventory space, or in this case open a new retainer, specifically for this type of problem as it is very short sighted solution... as by that logic in a couple years, even if adjusting inventory, they'll be demanding over 9,000 inventory spaces for their Item level 50, 60, 70, 80 90, 100, 110, 120, 130, 140, 150, 160, 170, 180, 190, 200, 210, 220, 230, 240, 250, 260, 270, 280, 290, etc etc gear... Do you not see the problem with i'm getting at here? A new retainer will not solve this issue for more than a couple patches, and then people will want a 4th, and a 5th, and a 6th, etc etc. Because as you described, their compulsary need to horde anything and everything will not cease, and in the end, they'll just shovel everything they can into their retainer... Most of it being gear that will never see use glamour or otherwise.

Instead of adding a new retainer or increasing inventory which will be but a bandaid on a bullet wound , I think we should look at the biggest offender to this inventory issue, Glamour. The best solution would be to add a "Glamour storage" type system, where once obtained, you can bind it/whatever it to save that Glamour date in glamour storage for use any time in the future without the physical item being needed. Think GW2. It has been suggested many times, and I think that would be a more perminent solution, rather than this ... short sighted solution to the issue, and I really hope SE sees that.

I know development time is probably tight but this is an issue that will plague this game for its entire lifespawn with the current glamour system, a new one needs to be made.

for the i100 and i110 items

Aren't they the same set except one is dyable? I thought they were... i know the weapons are just glowy versions.

crafting mats, atma, dyes, materia, demimateria, gardening items, food, choco feed, unused furniture, potions, unarmoireable seasonal/achievement items, fireworks, maps, and wedding invitations,

I get most of these, but Maps and Wedding invitations? Those shouldn't grace your inventory for very long at all... Also maybe is just uncommon, but don't people keep their Choco-feed an Gardening stuff in FC chests if available? I know not everyone has a FC house, and that Gardening suff can be used in personal housing...

[FranSeara]

FYI: I have 3 retainers The 1st retainer holds ALL the weapons I've earned with ALL the class/jobs I play. My 2nd retainer hold All mats related to Alky, ie: bones plants, potions et. My 3rd retainer hold my Cloths and rings and such. Having most all the jobs at 50 adds up. I've just started miner, weaver and goldsmith. I'll need extra space to all the mats needed to do the jobs. My biggest problem is I like to have 3 to 4 differant/looks per jobs I play. I have a low level look,mid look and high end look for each job. I almost always play at time level for the Dfs I join. Personal choice....lol
ps: I'll be paying for that extra retainer this weekend.

[Nyalia]

Despite being a completionist who loves to play dress up, I finally did a thorough cleaning of my three retainers recently. After ditching all the crafting materials that were selling for <1000 (after factoring in stack size) and ditching any equipment that I would never wear (mostly helmets, hair was meant to be free!) or which was identical in look to another item that the same classes could wear, I still only had about ~50 spaces free out of the 625 available to me (I don't really count Armory Chest space, even though the new crafter/gatherer sets have freed up space there, mostly because any spare room is filled with SB gear). I also ditched all weapons that weren't the best one for the class, the class relic, or something that looked amazing (Shadow Bow!) and that didn't really help.

I'd really love more space, personally, or some info regarding the idea of an Equipment Guide. I could have sworn a community member had mentioned the idea at some point, but that may just be wishful remembering. If we're going to get something down the line that will let us record the items we've found, that's more incentive to cling to them now rather than re-farming them all later.

[Lainmyst]

I haven't read the whole thread yet, but it seems everyone is forgetting about crafting. Especially if you level all crafts to 50, and gathering jobs which includes Fishing. Mats that are needed for crafting take up space, also if you do fishing at all, then you have all the bate to deal with. On top of everything else managing inventory can get to be an issue. Of course taking some time out to look over said inventory and see if you need all the mats should be done periodically but as usual, as soon as you sell off some of it you find you need it.

[Jynx]

Allcraft 50 and never had an issue with retainer space. Armory space on the other hand...

[Lainmyst]

Allcraft 50 and never had an issue with retainer space. Armory space on the other hand...

For me it's the combination of both craft and gear space as well as miscellaneous items. I am not totally concerned however, for now as I can easily spend some time getting rid of unneeded items, however as you said the armory space is also an issue, with 3 new jobs on top of ninja........

[Nalien]

I really just wish they'd update the Armoire to act like the Minion Log, but for Glamours.

Take any "important" gear (gear with unique stats like the Spiritbond/Durability stuff, or quest stuff like AF (but put Augmented AF in there ffs)) out of it. Make storing gear in it a one way thing, but have it unlock the gear permanently in a new tab for gear I can Glamour. Done.

I currently have an entire Retainer dedicated to gears for Glamour, if I could just burn all that in the Armoire and use them for Glamours whenever it would solve most of my inventory woes. 99% of the gear I store is not gear I ever intend to actually wear again for the stats, it is almost entirely Glamour fodder, the physical stats are worthless to me. I would not be bothered if the gear itself just gets burned to enable more space if I can keep them for Glamour purposes. Some of the gear would be nice to have again when new Jobs come out, but I'd honestly rather just have no more inventory woes...

Also really wish they'd just make the Armoury Chest a static 300 spaces for any gear and just have the tabs shows specific types of gear. Currently we're limited to 25 spaces for each type of gear. Sod that, I potentially need more than 25 weapon slots and I'm damn sure never going to need 25 ring slots... Belts, Offhand, Neck, Earrings, Wrist, Rings has so much wasted space I would really appreciate being spent elsewhere... You could literally condense those categories together and have them use up maybe 75 spaces, rather than the current 150 they waste... I really can't help but headdesk whenever I see the developers mention that we can't have new slots for Fishing Bait or a better Glamour system because there isn't enough space, when so much space is wasted giving us excess room for accessories... I mean really...

While there are no concrete details pertaining to inventory management at this time, the development team is constantly monitoring the amount of inventory space in comparison with the amount of items added in each update.

Are they monitoring players Armoury Chest space or am I just an anomaly? I currently am using 200/300 Armoury Chest spaces if I total it all up, and I would absolutely love to use some of that remaining 100 on PvP gear or something, but I can't because over 80 of those slots are wasted on giving me more space for accessories than I'll ever possibly need. I know the developers are keen to make this babies first MMO with all the hand holding for new players, but can't you kick the stabilizers off of the whole inventory management thing, considering nearly 1/3 of it ends up being wasted space? I need no more than 75 spaces for all my accessories, why are you giving me over 100?

[Sadana]

I really just wish they'd update the Armoire to act like the Minion Log, but for Glamours.....

I potentially need more than 25 weapon slots and I'm damn sure never going to need 25 ring slots...

I think we can all agree the "have to currently possess item for Glamour" thing has to go.

Amusingly though, this game has 20 different classes currently. If you don't have them all at the same level, that's 40 rings you need. I know I've had my ring tab completely full on more than one occasion. Bad example. ; ;


The worst offenders for inventory problems:
Glamours
Crafting mats
Fishing tackle/bait
Anything that doesn't stack

Hm... I know the various fireworks provided during different seasonal events is taking up a chunk of space in my inventories. I kind of wish we had a /fireworks emote instead. (To add... you could buy one fireworks from whatever event is going on at the time and that firework would be added to the random list you could pull from when using /fireworks. I dunno... just a thought. ^^)

[Jynx]

There is this fallacy that the additional retainers magically generate extra things or gil, the truth is, at most, they temporarily increase the rate you can do certain things at, until you run out of ventures to pay with, or items to sell. The thing is, you have to have the ventures to pay the retainers with, and you have to already have the things to sell. Once those resources run out you're back to square one whether you have 2, 3 or 4 retainers.

Ventures are hardly a limitation you think they are. Any crafter can quickly, cheaply, and easily gather grand company point that lead to Eady ventures. The only limitation is the players time. Making ventures on capped out retainers not something to sneeze at.

Retainers have insane gil generating prowess if you gave the knowledge of what to tell 5 hem to go get for you.

Someone could easily make at least a mil a day with enough ventures and retainers.