Fenrir

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lol Moose, you're theory sounds eerily similar to my 12/11/14 theory.

What if....the twelve are the only, and I'm using this term loosely, real entities... These "primals" are just a primitive, or primal, fragment of them?

Let's say Rhalgar is a Black Mage (a stretch, I know /sarcasm) and Ifrit is or was some creature that was imbued with the all aggressive, ever destructive fire traits of him. Lady Iceheart was imbued with some power of Halone, using this St. Shiva as a connection between the two (Perhaps the echo gave Iceheart the power necessary to make this connection). King Mog could have just been a moogle, a highly thought of moogle, but just a regular moogle all-in-all. When the moogles became distressed, they looked to and prayed to their king, effectively granting him some god-like powers from, say, Athlyk maybe.

It's entirely possible that when the Ascians taught summoning to the beast tribes, they showed them only how to call on the negative sides of the twelve in order to further their scheme. To go along with this theory, there would also be purely positive aspects of the them, as well as the god as a whole (which no one yet has been successful in summoning).

Is your mind still intact? If so, what is it thinking?

Exactly. Think of the Twelve as clusters, Primals - crystals and Egis, shards. But for each cluster there is an astral and umbral crystal. We've just yet to see these astral crystals or full clusters in use. :P

It was rough, but the idea was: Hydaelyn = Mothercrystal > Twelve = Clusters of Mothercrystal > Good/Bad Primal = Astral Crystal & Umbral Crystal (polar aspects of said god) > Egi = Shard, one per crystal.

Menphina the Lover, wields power over Ice. Saint Shiva, the Ice Primal, perhaps maybe the Dragon Lover? We have Menphina's Loyal Hound and I'd argue we could call Fenrir Shiva's, or at least Iceheart's Loyal Hound given the reasons why we were fighting him...

While I'd be more inclined to say Icehart gave her body to Shiva, who had previously gave hers to an aspect of Halone, Fenrir is likely from Menphina in some way.

From 11/03/14;

So, this primal was birthed in our realm originally, from nothing but crystallized aether, hopes and wishes. Now, you could say that this is how summoning is done every time and that they are created from scratch on each occasion. But, I think we would have seen some sort of telephone game happening. Either the same primal would never be summoned twice or the same primal would be summoned slightly different each time with a slightly different attitude and probably no memory or knowledge other than what its' creators (worshipers) gave it.

I found that unlikely at the time, but it makes perfect sense now...

Different cultures are naturally going to have different primals because they wouldn't share the same mental image of said element personified. This explains Bismark and any other future summons with an elemental affinity.