Fenrir

[Kaiser-Ace]

While the connection to the Lambs may have burned, I do think it adds something to the Primals = Twelve theories...

Menphina the Lover, wields power over Ice. Saint Shiva, the Ice Primal, perhaps maybe the Dragon Lover? We have Menphina's Loyal Hound and I'd argue we could call Fenrir Shiva's, or at least Iceheart's Loyal Hound given the reasons why we were fighting him... Crazy theory, we just discovered a new Archon - Iceheart is an incarnation Menphina...

Then again we'll be summoning Fenrir to ride, so perhaps he isn't that big a thing...

Then again we can buy Sleipnir, so maybe whoever keeps making new mounts just doesn't give a hoot about lore...

The Arcons aren't The Twelve. We've disproved that theory long before the Devs actually shot it down.

[Baithin]

I heard someone mention on Tumblr that in the Japanese version of the script, Iceheart specifically mentions Fenrir after you fight him.

Can anyone confirm this, or even translate what she says about him?

[Anonymoose]

Can anyone confirm this, or even translate what she says about him?

Huh, look at that.

月狼フェンリルを退けるとは……。
どうやら、あなたの力は本物のようだ。
To repel the moon wolf, Fenrir... Somehow, your power appears to be genuine.

Granted it's just a verbal expression of the thing we just did, and the English line "The tales do not do you justice, Warrior of Light." says essentially the same thing: "Hey, wow, I was expecting that thing to maul you to death." For what it's worth, French and German both went with the same expression as English.

[Deifact]

"To repel the moon wolf, Fenrir... Somehow, your power appears to be genuine."

Basically Fenrir is Moon moon, which explains why he is so easy to defeat.

[TurnerSylph]

Huh, look at that.

Granted it's just a verbal expression of the thing we just did, and the English line "The tales do not do you justice, Warrior of Light." says essentially the same thing: "Hey, wow, I was expecting that thing to maul you to death." For what it's worth, French and German both went with the same expression as English.

I play the game in Japanese and can confirm this with a screenshot.

[Kaiser-Ace]

So Fenrir is that wolf's proper name then. Perhaps though it's not the only one of it's kind. I still hold that Fenrir's species comes from Dravania. No one seems to have ever gone there and lived to tell the tale so there's bound to be alot of things in Dravania that we've never seen in the rest of Eorzia.

[axemtitanium]

A long time ago, people used to refer to the lesser moon Dalamud as "Menphina's loyal hound".

[NoloeTazier]

Yeah, I was hoping so hard for Fenrir to be related to Menphina's Hound, after all why name a small moon a person of the Twelve's dog/wolf. Problem Moose, I have with the "spirit hound" thing is Fenrir doesn't die a unique death ala Diabolos. He just dies a boring old monster death. Though it's interesting with his attacks, Thousand Year Ilm and Lunar Cry. Thousand Year can easily coincide with the Dragon and Ishgardian feud, but what would Fenrir have to do with these dragons.

[DoctaruRavenbe]

Dammit Moon moon = -=

[Anonymoose]

I've had to withdraw from the primal discussions as of late just because I keep seeing everything through the lens of my current theory that the primals are literally the primal forces, (Inferno, Crag, Vortex, Gale, Levin, Frost - the six facets of Hydaelyn's light), and that all the entities we've been dealing with are just deiformed aether. I'm having a hard time not seeing it right now just because it explains too much. It explains why the essence of the land makes such strong entities; it explains why those were the first conjured until the laws of existence started to waver in the Crystal's weakness and suddenly anything you could zealously believe in could be deiformed; it explains the Twelve - each element given a polarity and named throughout the ages, associated with heroes of legend as tales pass from one age to the next.

It also explains why Moggle was so strictly not a primal until he was eh, pretty much the same thing, mostly, and why early trailers talked so much about myths made reality and the Land itself rising against mankind. Until I find something that collapses this house of cards, I'm stuck seeing everything through that lens, lol. Midgardsormr's association with Althyk and Nymeia suddenly being revealed to be the Earth and Water (or is it Crag and Tide?) of Hydaelyn didn't help me get back to seeing things objectively on that matter, either.

We see the essence of Frost harnessed by heretic zeal to manifest the deiform Shiva within Iceheart, and then that deiform summons soldiers from Frost that are themselves nothing like her, and nothing like Egi, either. Moreover, the first ice soldier was seen before Shiva was summoned (at least, either of the two times we currently know about). It all makes me very curious, and that's why I suggested earlier that perhaps Fenrir was an aetherial construct of Frost, as well. Carbuncle on crank, maybe. If that's true, it actually puts is back in the realm of possibility for connections to Menphina's loyal hound, though. Myth made manifest, no celestial objects required. Still, that seems like kind of a far-out way to write Fenrir into FFXIV...

</adjusts darksteelfoil hat>