I think its time BRD get some loving

[StrejdaTom]

Guess I just manage to hit crap melee's then that I often end up on top of DPS enmity(or right after) or when parsed am top or second. Frankly I don't see a need for a straight up buff. And I do want to see what we're getting in 3.0 but am sad that we are losing the heal LB - it saved more than one run in it's time.

On EM primals, dungeons etc.. it is easy to be top dps even as a BRD. On FCOB with static it is imo a bit harder, as people usually pull out the max out of them. Anyways if you parse as a top or a second in FCOB with a static, it might be a time for other DPS to reconsider their rotation.

[Fatshine]

Guess I just manage to hit crap melee's then that I often end up on top of DPS enmity(or right after) or when parsed am top or second. Frankly I don't see a need for a straight up buff. And I do want to see what we're getting in 3.0 but am sad that we are losing the heal LB - it saved more than one run in it's time.

Saved my static tonight and we got our first T10 clear together. I have a love/hate with Bards. I love them when they play songs correctly, clutch LB3, and do respectable damage. I hate them when they die to AOE's being the most mobile job, don't sing, or do shit damage. I mean seriously, FOE Requiem doesn't even hurt your DPS. Why NOT play it often? In dungeons? Or elsewhere? Ughh. I LOVE good Bards. Please be my best friend. The other 99% of Bards need to stop being bad.

[ruskie]

On EM primals, dungeons etc.. it is easy to be top dps even as a BRD. On FCOB with static it is imo a bit harder, as people usually pull out the max out of them. Anyways if you parse as a top or a second in FCOB with a static, it might be a time for other DPS to reconsider their rotation.

Yeah sadly due to timing and real life issues and finding decent replacements my team is still in T9(though at 20% so just one more rotation to get through and done - hoping for tomorrow).

Saved my static tonight and we got our first T10 clear together. I mean seriously, FOE Requiem doesn't even hurt your DPS.

Hehe. I don't get to play Foe much in our static. We're double bard, monk and dragoon with the other tank dragooning when not needing 2 tanks. And congratulations on the clear. But yes I see it often when a bard won't sing anything.

[BigPapaSmurf]

Swiftsong should be Battle-Voicable.

Would make for some interesting flag-plays in Frontlines.

Would be nice for Hunt-rushing & open-world parties/solo.

[Kuwagami]

Bard's dps didn't prevent to clear T13. If you are short on dps, you might look at the group in its entirety

[Snugglebutt]

Just remove the %damage debuff that comes with songs, their removal will not turn BRD's into DPS kings, it will not even have that great an effect overall and other classes will still have their DPS boosted by our songs while ours are not boosted but also not debuffed while boosting everyone else's. Quite frankly there is no good reason to debuff our DPS even more so than the low end DPS we have in general just because we play songs that boost other peoples DPS.

The boost of other peoples DPS through songs is more than enough to push theirs higher than our own without the further needs to debuff our own while boosting theirs. Stop being so paranoid about some miracle advantage that doesn't exist and will not exist without the debuff, without the debuff you still get boosted from the songs above and beyond most BRD's DPS output it just means BRD's would not be doubly punished for giving you that advantage.

If you whine about how some BRD's don't play songs much then you should be in favor of removing the debuff because that debuff is nothing more than a punishment on BRD's for doing something that helps you and not ourselves. More BRD's would be willing to play songs more often if they removed the pointless and over-the-top punishment we get for boosting your DPS above our own with the songs in the first place.

It will not boost our own DPS to a vast degree and most BRD's will still not come close to top tier of DPS output but as long as BRD's are being punished for helping you then you will continue to run into BRD's offended and unwilling to help boost you because they are being punished for doing so on top of the punishment we already suffer from lower DPS quality gear and damage output from skill stats.

[Kiara1]

Just remove the %damage debuff that comes with songs, their removal will not turn BRD's into DPS kings, it will not even have that great an effect overall and other classes will still have their DPS boosted by our songs while ours are not boosted but also not debuffed while boosting everyone else's. Quite frankly there is no good reason to debuff our DPS even more so than the low end DPS we have in general just because we play songs that boost other peoples DPS.

If they removed the damage debuff there wouldn't be any point in using mana or tp since the bard can just keep the songs up as often as possible, and healers can spam cures all day. It's part of the mechanics with bard to know when to play what song. Popping a song during the hardest dps check in the game isn't a good strategy, but doing it in between the dps checks is.
But if they removed it bard would feel like a mindless class keeping up 2 dots and some cd management

[Tiggy]

Just remove the %damage debuff that comes with songs, their removal will not turn BRD's into DPS kings

You are severely underestimating what good bards can do. It would absolutely make them overpowered to have the buffs and no song penalty at the same time. This entire suggestion appears to ignore any game balance because you want to see bigger numbers. Bards are not top end DPS. Bards are hybrid classes. If you want bigger numbers DON'T PLAY A HYBRID CLASS. It's that simple. You don't twist and contort the job to be the same as the others while completely ignoring the added damage and utility the class brings to a party as a whole. A Bards value does not lie in it's DPS, and it won't ever lie in it's DPS. That's not what the class is. The absolutely failure to understand that is why this suggestion is dead on arrival.

[Snugglebutt]

You are severely underestimating what good bards can do. It would absolutely make them overpowered to have the buffs and no song penalty. This entire suggestion appears to ignore any game balance because you want to see bigger numbers. Bards are not top end DPS. Bards are hybrid classes. If you want bigger numbers DON'T PLAY A HYBRID CLASS. It's that simple.

I disagree, there may be outliers or some who do extremely good damage but those few do not make up a vast majority of people who play bards. Those that are within that category generally have to work harder to make up for the lackluster gear stats SE throw our way and many of the skill stats compared to some other DPS classes whom have better DPS gear quality and better designed skill stats. I do not believe it will make bards overpowered at all, not for a single second do I believe they would be if remove the %damage debuff on the songs while playing those songs. The party dynamic will not change, it will not increase or decrease the amount of spots bards fill, it will simply increase slightly the DPS output of most bards while not being overpowered at all.

[Kuwagami]

And please guys, cut the crap. This game is about the party's dps, not your own pee-wee. Bards add :

=> ~15% more damage to casters for free with Foe
=> a TP regen which allows ALL of your melee jobs not to be utter garbage past the 4/5 mins mark
=> a MP regen which allows healers to continue their job in dire situations (namely, learning) or prevents SMNs from sucking hard by being MP dried

the 2 regens coming at the cost of a dps loss for the bard, while increasing the overall dps of the party. melees dried ? your DPS loses way more than your beloved 20%. Healers dried ? Congrats, it's a wipe, you lost everything.

Stop thinking about yourself, start thinking about your team