Thread: Request: 3.0 Job Customizing

Job customization has to do with making the player character stronger instead of getting better equipment. That's more for tablet and cell phone MMO's it won't work for a AAA MMO like Final Fantasy XIV A Realm Reborn. The Balancing issue alone would be a nightmare because they have to adjust difficulty of content for all those builds. I'll think of more !reasons! why job customization is a bad idea later.

Originally Posted by Akiza

I'll think of more !reasons! why job customization is a bad idea later.

Someone will do the math and figure out the best skill/stats to use and everybody will follow, like we already do with gear. People keep asking for more viariety but then only follow one road anyway.

Originally Posted by LandricFrey

As I've already stated in my post, there will always be those who look up and go by what is considered the "best build." That's their decision. The rest of us can enjoy the freedom of coming up with our own builds. Also just because something is considered the best build doesn't always make it the best, in other words; an alternate build may be a better fit for a particular player's playstyle, allowing them to be more efficient playing their job in their own way.

I'm a WHM and stack spell speed. Half of these forums is probably barfing right now. Remember that guy who put parry on his DRG relic and everyone laughed at him? Yeah... the little choice we have is already ignored. There'll be a dozen people at most with unique sets. With more jobs we may have a more choices in cross-class skills but that'd be the exent of it hopefully.

Also:

I know of plenty of people who would love to be a Paladin if only it weren't a tank role only.

I chose WHM because I like to heal, so I looked up what jobs had that role and picked the one I liked the most, not the other way around. How can you want to be a Paladin and dps? If all jobs can do anything you might as well just ask for glamour restrictions to be lifted. If I wanna be a WHM that DPS... I'd play BLM because that's what I'd be. If you are a DPS paladin aren't you just a ninja with a paladin glamour on? I don't get it. If you don't want to tank why'd you want to be a paladin besides aesthetics?

Originally Posted by Moqi

How can you want to be a Paladin and dps?

People may want to be a sword wielding, cool armor wearing job without the stress of being forced to tank. Think of how many people it would please if DRK had the option of dps? Obviously there would be a trade off of dps for the added survivability of heavy armor, but at least it opens up some options.

Originally Posted by Akiza

Job customization has to do with making the player character stronger instead of getting better equipment. That's more for tablet and cell phone MMO's it won't work for a AAA MMO like Final Fantasy XIV A Realm Reborn. The Balancing issue alone would be a nightmare because they have to adjust difficulty of content for all those builds. I'll think of more !reasons! why job customization is a bad idea later.

So you're saying that WoW was never a AAA MMO? In vanilla and TBC I remember Paladins and Warriors being viable dps options as well as tanks, and shadow priests with staggering damage output. I also remember classes in that game were fairly well balanced in PVE and PVP. Saying something would be hard to do is a poor excuse for giving up on an idea. It can be done, it has been done, and I have a feeling SE could do it better!

Originally Posted by LandricFrey

So you're saying that WoW was never a AAA MMO? In vanilla and TBC I remember Paladins and Warriors being viable dps options as well as tanks, and shadow priests with staggering damage output. I also remember classes in that game were fairly well balanced in PVE and PVP. Saying something would be hard to do is a poor excuse for giving up on an idea. It can be done, it has been done, and I have a feeling SE could do it better!

Sorry, you got me on "in vanilla and TBC WoW, PALADINS and Warriors were viable options for dps aside from tanking".

You sir lived in your own delusions then. While a Warrior could be optimal, PALADINS were pure crap, both in tanking and especially dps during the first 4 years of WoW. They were only viable for Single Target Healing and more than anything buffing Blessing of Kings. Shadow Priests on the other hand provided more raid utility by offering life leeching and mana aside from a decent damage too.

Originally Posted by BlueThunder

Sorry, you got me on "in vanilla and TBC WoW, PALADINS and Warriors were viable options for dps aside from tanking".

You sir lived in your own delusions then. While a Warrior could be optimal, PALADINS were pure crap, both in tanking and especially dps during the first 4 years of WoW. They were only viable for Single Target Healing and more than anything buffing Blessing of Kings. Shadow Priests on the other hand provided more raid utility by offering life leeching and mana aside from a decent damage too.

You're missing the point. The fact that all classes could successfully take on different roles is the main focus here. I said they were "viable" not the very best. I healed and/or dps on shamans, druids, and priests in any situation it worked. If it was a raid, maybe a certain healer or tank wouldn't be the best option, but that person would be the Off-tank or support healer. It worked.

Talent tree's in that game allowed a simple form of job customization by either letting you chose you group role or how you manage your damage, and even though that is the simplest and most cliche suggestion, it's still better than nothing IMO.

Originally Posted by LandricFrey

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I'm not missing the point, and I know what giving each class "talent trees" will cause in the future. I spent 9 years on WoW to see how much damage it causes the massive amount of cries because X talent tree of Y class is Z powerful or not, which Blizzard always handled by buffing and nerfing here and there all over the place, causing big unbalance at all sides 90% of the time.

And there was no Uniqueness in WoW anyways, everybody would follow a predetermined good build of talents, so your point is completely invalid. Those who would try something of their liking and bizzarre would get rejected because their choice was very poor and not the standard to follow. Even now that talent trees have vanished into a certain amount of skills you can choose of your liking, people will pick up those that work best anyways.