New tank perspective, my apologies to established TNKs I've met B4

[Kiyyto]

I just started tanking... Only now do I realize HOW BAD many DPS are at their jobs.
It is rare that I get a DPS that actually has any understanding or care for letting the tank control the mob.

More often than not the the DPS is off face pulling mobs, attacking an enemy I've only flashed, and pulling hate on an add I'm not focused on forcing me to run all over the place to try and regain control.

Wow, I never realized how crap so many DPS are.
I main WHM, I'm good at it, and have to admit I always was like wtf is with the crybaby tanks?
Well, now I know... They spend all day cleaning up after idiots.

The worst offender by far, ninjas.
Second most retarded, BLM.

Every time I get a drg I am like thank god!
By far they are the best and most supportive DPS imo. A match with a ninja and a BLM is just an absolute mess, give me a drg and a mnk and the same dungeon run is smooth as butter.

[radioactive_lego]

The worst offender by far, ninjas.
Second most retarded, BLM.

Every time I get a drg I am like thank god!
By far they are the best and most supportive DPS imo. A match with a ninja and a BLM is just an absolute mess, give me a drg and a mnk and the same dungeon run is smooth as butter.

Meh. Ninjas are the new Goons; they both deserve the reputation they've earned.* Not watching their aggro bar, pulling mobs they shouldn't, not supporting the healer when she gets aggro, etc.

As for BLM, you're way off. It is absolutely the Tanks responsibility to keep the aggro when BLMs are doing high AOE damage. That's the BLMs job.

*not saying all melee DPSers are imbeciles, just the 10% of them who play like they own the fight.

[Ramien]

As someone who's slowly been working on tanking myself, I've found it depends more on the player, than the class/job. I've seen DRG that constantly attack other than marked targets, and draw aggro if I'm not watching carefully. I was swearing (mentally) at BRDs for a while for drawing aggro, but I mostly got used to it and on top of things.

It seems to me that the reasons why MNK and DRG don't have the same problems is because they don't have the same strong ranged attacks as the other jobs, so they're not launching those to start off before closing in. Instead, they're coming in a second or so behind, and most tanks already have their aggro established by the time they arrive. An impatient member of a job with a strong ranged attack to start, though, can mess things up in a hurry.

[Kiyyto]

Going to answer everyone in this post but only quoting for the first reply

... to me that the reasons why MNK and DRG... because they don't have the same strong ranged attacks as the other jobs, so they're not launching those to start off before closing in. Instead, they're coming in a second or so behind, and most tanks already have their aggro established by the time they arrive. An impatient member of a job with a strong ranged attack to start, though, can mess things up in a hurry.

Yes, that is exactly what I meant by BLM being a problem... When they hit the target at exactly the moment I flashed, before I hve a chance to establish aggro. Also, I've played with BLM who have been very considerate and if they draw aggro I can see them wait two seconds on the next mob or use quelling.

But there is a minority of DPS who I swear are actively trying to see how much aggro they can get. They facepull, they hit mobs before or at the exact time I flash, and they consistently attack an add I'm not targeting in groups of 3 or more. Whether or not the last point can be controlled is irrelevant, it is still irritating and poor skill on the DPS's part.


Other replies, no quotes
There's a bit of "tudes" going round, let's keep the convo civil. If you take 5 seconds to see my stats I'm a lol 40 PLD... So, I clearly do not have access to poetics, relics (or even shield oath at the time of writing the initial post).

Some helpful comments for sure, but if you actually read what was written instead of being emotional you'd see that what I'm talking about cannot be controlled for with "exceptional tnk skills bra!"

It's just lousy, un-cooperative DPS, sry. And, it ain't really even a problem for me, it's just a nuisance. I feel bad for the healers in these parties tbh. But my main point is that... Tanking is more difficult than it looks and I have more respect than I had been giving to tanks before I started tanking. I can understand why tanks would sometimes be a little touchy having to constantly deal with DPS as mentioned.

-I'm acutely aware of health bars, did you not see where I wrote I main WHM, and I'm good at it?
Sheesh, c'mon do people read?
Criticism is good, but are you just searching for something to be critical about?
Makes no sense with what I wrote.

Lastly, I do have many macro's to speak as a tank, because I'm leading the party and I also feel I should set the tone, so I have an aggro macro, "bad DPS"



I do mark, but it is a fck'g pita with the ps4 and impatient DPS who just want to Go, go, go!
I'll try your macro for marking, I think marking is definitely helpful. Thnx.

Good points, some "tudes" but basically good. Thnx.

[Delorean]

it could be worse

you could be playing wow where they do awful damage, don't know how to play at all, and are only slightly more useful than someone who is afk

you're blessed, i'll take picking up extra trash and needing to do extra threat over that rap anyday

[aisustrong]

all the people that dont know how to (assist target)

[NKLanis]

A lot of times people are level synced and forget how difficult dungeons can be for people that are actually leveling up.

When you get accustomed to 8 Mob pulls, 2-3 mobs in a pull seems easy. It is easy to forget. A lot of low level tanks don't flash enough either.

I recently went through this. If you flash every rotation keeping aggro on multiple targets becomes much easier.

I agree with a comment made earlier though. Range DPS has to be careful about attacking early, well all DPS truthfully, should give the tank a moment.

[rawker]

I've always wanted to be a good tank although there are many instances where i question myself what the hell is happening. OP hit the nail on how I currently learn how the game works - I level up the jobs I am trying to understand to get a feel on how they work and on how I can adjust when I get to party with them. In the past, I was once asked by a MNK to stop moving way too much. So I gave PUG a good hour or two spin and realized that they're heavily reliant on positioning. Now, I just move when it is really needed or try to move in a fashion where it will not disrupt their rotation.

I bet those DPS you are referring to are either trolling or hasn't touched any tanking class, ever.

But to be quite honest, I am a bit uneasy when I get to party with a terribad tank. It forces me to stop what I am doing so as not to steal aggro away from them. This list can go on for different roles.

Bottom-line, it's better for one to have, even just a tiny bit of, knowledge on things other than your preferred job rather than nitpicking and bitching on how others have failed to do so.

[Alistaire]

As a good tank your post just screams bad tanking, sorry, there's no other way to put it. You can't notice a mob's hp is dropping faster than whatever you decided to attack first, and switch to ensure hate is kept on it? OK.

This is the reason marking is such a useless thing; a good tank can hold hate on all mobs without it, and when cycling thru mobs, pay extra attention to whatever's in most need of additional threat generated.

[aisustrong]

As a good tank your post just screams bad tanking, sorry, there's no other way to put it. You can't notice a mob's hp is dropping faster than whatever you decided to attack first, and switch to ensure hate is kept on it? OK.

This is the reason marking is such a useless thing; a good tank can hold hate on all mobs without it, and when cycling thru mobs, pay extra attention to whatever's in most need of additional threat generated.

thats a bit of a blanket statement
if both outgear you by a large amount and neither of them ever attack the same mob, then it doesnt matter how good you are
and at that point, its not the tanks fault, its the dps being lazy/rude/incompetent