Ironworks Fishing Rod

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Okay, we’ll start here:

Again, shouting and highlighting things in red does not help the cause of your arguments here what-so-ever.

Your refusal to actually acknowledge any counterpoints that have been brought up and instead repeat yourself doesn’t help your argument. Everything bolded and red is things that have already been said and argued that you, even still, have ignored.

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Actually with the lucis coming after the foragers gear, its the lucis that is not needed to gather the new nodes for miner and botanist.
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Here is a link, please look at the section that gradiated the difficulty of ALL the big fish in the game and what is needed to catch them. http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...r-is-it-%29%29
Please note, at no time is anything higher than the supra rod needed to catch the big fish in this game. Following your logic of the miners and botanist tools, then your entire argument is, in your own words, moot. The ironworks rod was never ever ever needed to catch any of the fish in this game.

1. It’s common knowledge that the Lucis tools are not necessary for any of the nodes or fish currently in the game. They are obviously intended to prepare us for the future. Thanks for reminding us.
2. This is proof only that the Ironworks Rod was replaced before it ever served an actual purpose. You’re right, the rod is moot. The entire argument is that rod is moot and that it shouldn’t be.

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It is still not the case, no matter how much you shout and highlight things in bright red, that the ironworks is the equivalent of the foragers offhand tools.

Everything bolded and red is things that have already been said and argued that you refuse to acknowledge, even still.

That Fisher had to actually work, and work hard, for the new rod is just a testament to the fact that the rod should've at least had a unique appearance if its use was going to be limited to a single major patch. Supra lasted two patches and was necessary to progress to the Lucis. Ironworks, again, much harder to get than Lucis, is just left floating useless for any purpose other than "retainers!"

This remains true whether you agree with the offhand tools and Ironworks being comparable or not.

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your refusal to acknowledge that the ironworks rod is still useful, which it is, even with the lucis in the game. Others have pointed out this as well, that they still have used for their ironworks fishing rod.

This has been addressed four times. Four times.

Considering how difficult and time consuming the rod is to get, having its usefulness reduced to merely extra rods for retainers after a single major patch is pathetic.

And even if you want to stick to your "but retainers!" argument, that's pretty pathetic for the effort required.

Ironworks, again, much harder to get than Lucis, is just left floating useless for any purpose other than "retainers!"

"You can buy additional Ironworks Fishing Rods for your retainers from the Calamity Salvager for 4800gil."

1) You could also buy additional Halcyon Rods and do another Lucis for your retainer. You could do 2nd and even a 3rd extra Lucis before you approach the equivalent of completing the Ironworks Rod. It's 33 fish for each additional Lucis. 33, 66, 99, 132. To get Ironworks Rod you need to catch 104 additional unique fish (you caught Silver Sovereign and Olgoi-Khorkhoi already).
2) Considering how difficult and time consuming the rod is to get, having its usefulness reduced to merely extra rods for retainers after a single major patch is pathetic.

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Please check the previous discussion, i have never said that the ironworks was not had work. Never.

Please check the previous discussion. I have never said or implied that you said the ironworks was not hard work. Never.

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What i have argued is that the lucis going through all the stages when they were currently released was also time consuming. … The arguments put forward from you is that the lucis rod is not hard work to get.

Thanks for the recap. I haven’t been reading. Apparently, you haven’t either though.

The only thing I've said is that Lucis is easier to get. Now, hopefully you can understand that 30 HQ clams is easier than 104 more unique fish with time, weather, weather transition, and mooches. I didn't downplay the process of getting a Lucis because it's the exact same process as getting an Ironworks Rod until the last part. I've said that Ironworks Rod is harder to get meaning that catching 30 HQ claims is literally nothing compared to 104 unique fish. This isn't a hard concept.

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The argument put forward by myself is that 2-4 ironworks rod are easier to get for your retainers than 2-4 lucis rods. Please re-read the previous posts.

I’ve already explained why this is not the case unless you already have the Ironworks Rod. Please re-read the previous posts.

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Would you like the foragers fishing rod to be upgraded as well? That took time and effort (most people reporting 30+ hours) and was made obsolete as soon as the supra was released. It too should be upgraded to the highest level possible in an arbitrary manner since that hard work has just been undone.

Unlike the Ironworks Rod, the Forager’s Rod actually had a time when it was exceptionally useful. It was not made obsolete when the Supra was introduced because it became a necessary step in progressing toward Supra. Only after obtaining the Supra was it obsolete. Ironworks Rod, however, is hardly necessary to get the Lucis.

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Lets now take the example of other achievement items in the game. The Master series of rings, obtained as an achievement reward like the ironworks fishing rod, were introduced in patch 2.16. At this time i90 rings were exceptionally easy to obtain. But these rings are only i55, and they dont look good either. Shall we start a petition to have these arbitrarily boosted ilvl to match an ilvl of our liking? Also they are not good for glamour, so i want them overhauled, using devs time and resources, so they look as good as my liking.

1. These rings were obviously introduced with fresh 50s in mind. They are not hard to get.
2. You love to toss around the word logic. Here’s some logic for you.

Irrespective of not "being a stand out title" it is, non the less a very rare title.

Irrespective of the rings not “looking ‘good’” they are, nonE the less very unique in appearance and unlike any other rings.
The Ironworks Rod, however, looks like basically every other rod in the game with the exception of Halcyon Rod variants.

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Maybe you can use your ironworks rod and glamour the lucis tool to it? This way you get to show off that you have the ironworks rod to anyone who examins you avatar whilst fishing and you get to have it look good and dye it. This may be a good solution to your problems.

Use the inferior tool. Excellent solution. (Edited because I misread this).

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Now, if you would be so kind, stop responding.

You are obviously satisfied with the Ironworks Rod as it is. You've made this clear. As is evident by the fact that you've done nothing but repeat yourself, you've nothing worthwhile left to contribute to the discussion. Move on.