XI-2 was released this past September, or didn't you notice?

[Pyrix]

You wanna party go hunt NMs or do Leves or dungeons. Don't force me to party with you if I don't want to. Give me the choice.

[Corrderio]

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[Pyrix]

I should be able to solo A FUCKING RAT if I so choose.

[Corrderio]

Not talking about you, talking about this thread in general.

[weeble]

You wanna party go hunt NMs or do Leves or dungeons. Don't force me to party with you if I don't want to. Give me the choice.

the choice is in the mmo you play, sorry but this game is trying to draw in toooo many types of game players, thus it's biggest issues if u ask me. is funny that it started off with 15man grinds and now people do what 2-4man tops? also eventually in time one or the other are gonna be slowly pushed to the side in my opinion. gameplay will get more easier and more solo friendly or it's gonna all start getting more complicated endgames and more party based things. when the job classes come maybe grinds with those will be made? then maybe we get some real party structures again, but then again that will need new mobs to grind on, but i'm sure dungeons will be that.

but where was i going ...oh yeah, games need to stop trying to make both solo'ist and party players happy, it doesn't work unless u truely make 2 games in one, half solo and half party. and what u'r saying is we should have to solo.

You wanna (party)solo go hunt (NMs)quests or do Leves or (dungeons) buy a diff game. Don't force me to (party) solo with you if I don't want to. Give me the choice.

oh and also ffxi had a few solo friendly classes, this should be enough. 3-6 solo type classes. and again this game was starting off for large group enjoyment till people with complaints and brainless devs changed them. the reason they changed it cause too many people wanted there pl'ing and duel boxing witch wasn't doable, this was the deepest reason if u ask me. and all these people with 2-6 accounts got 2-6votes. i can guarantee if a real vote was done right now most would of said they liked the older version of the system better if they just fixed the problems with it rather then scraping it.

[Scherwiz]

I'm making this thread because I'm sick of seeing ppl whine and moan every time someone mentions anything about XI. Regardless of how oblivious everyone is, or how much they try to deny it, this game is XI-2. To quote some random hick: "If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it must be a g*@ damn duck." Just because ppl mention XI, and try to use it as a template to build off of doesn't mean they want an exact clone w/ upgraded graphics and a new story. So, stop being so dismissive every time these people make brilliant suggestions. If you all noticed, the game isn't doing that well right now, so ppl don't like it very much. SE isn't even charging...what's that tell you?

Wanna know something else? The majority of the changes that have been made were inspired by the FFXI crew, and Yoshi-P's genius. So, stop being close-minded, and acknowledge the obvious fact: XI was great; XIV can be better, but it needs to draw off of XI in order to do so.

What kind of duck are you smoking?

[Kam]

I should be able to solo A FUCKING RAT if I so choose.

No one is disputing your right too. I think you missed the subtleties of a few comments on grouping. Relax please.

[Pyrix]

Sorry ^_^ Hehehe

[Zenaku]

You know in today's society people don't like partying as much right? I guess, i still love it and will do it. I just wish that for those who don't really want to find a party all day, they would have quests or some sort of content that would situate people of certain levels in certain places, so you're doing quests all day you end up at the hub and bam, you find a party just from being there and talking to people. The core of an mmo will always be socializing and doing stuff with others, hell thats an over arching theme in japanese media alone, so their games will be more group centric and I like that. But a game that wants people to group shouldn't make grouping something you have to go out of your way to do, it should be natural, and I feel like games that aren't even group centric are doing a better job at leading people into groups than FF is right now.

Even with FFXI grouping was sort of something you went out of your way for if you hit the game at a later point, and with this game I'm still fearing that same thing "if you join this game 3 years down the road its a harder path to max level for you because we don't know how to keep our beginning areas revitalized for old players"

So whether this is XI-2, or its just XIV, they need to learn the good and the bad from XI, and instead it feels like "OH XI DIDN'T EXIST", Japanese companies do this all the time, "you like Resident Evil outbreak? REALLY? That was a niche game, our next game is going to appeal to western market and not to westerners who liked our previous games made for japanese markets" "oh I thought you guys like streamlined games after looking at Mass Effect 2, but then I guess we should of waited to streamline XIII until after the results of the bioware streamlining came back to hit them in the face." Seriously, they just forget about the people who actually liked their games, whether we're niche or not, and then they make a half assed westernization that the true western idiots don't like, and the niche gamers feel alienated by. Stick to your guns, make games that we like and don't alienate your main player base!

went out of your way? I can make a party in ffxi around/before whitegate within 10min then get everyone to camp within 30min so 40min or less setting up ok i see the pain in the ass there but then you can be there for hours. People who don't want to party should really think about it.

back on the solo topic
If there 3-4 people around you doing the same thing at the same level why the hell not party together? this is where the solo people are pissing me off. I understand you don't want to waste your time setting up a party but if there 3-5 people around you doing the same thing at the same level why do you people not want to party with them?

[Kam]

If there 3-4 people around you doing the same thing at the same level why the hell not party together? this is where the solo people are pissing me off. I understand you don't want to waste your time setting up a party but if there 3-5 people around you doing the same thing at the same level why do you people not want to party with them?

Its rare that this will ever happen with out 2 or 3 people grouping up. Not to be disrespectful. But that is a stupid debate.

And hell, even if you are on the worst sever in the world where everyone likes to solo in the exact same spot. YOU should be the one to go find a new spot - and take yer' pals too.

innovate man.