XI-2 was released this past September, or didn't you notice?

[Khal_Drogo]

Keep on barkin'. It really is cute. Especially when you avoid the actual topic that the adults are discussing in your thread. Oh wait, you were too busy proving how "intellectual" you are with your elementary rants and name calling.

Even if one thousand lemmings "liked" your point it wouldn't make it any more valid. All in all you're just preaching your opinion to your own (very) little choir.

lol, I love how contradicting sides always seems to completely disregard one another's well-made points. It's like democrats versus republicans. And I do believe that it was you, as well as many others on "your side" that reduced this thread to a crude exchange of insults. But, go ahead and carry on w/ your hypocritical responses. They just make you look even dumber, and it amuses me lol <3

And P.S. I'm in my own thread, defending my position, and until "ya'll" came along, it was a fairly productive thread. So, who's the troll again?

[Natabant]

lol, I love how contradicting sides always seems to completely disregard one another's well-made points. It's like democrats versus republicans. And I do believe that it was you, as well as many others on "your side" that reduced this thread to a crude exchange of insults. But, go ahead and carry on w/ your hypocritical responses. They just make you look even dumber, and it amuses me lol <3

And P.S. I'm in my own thread, defending my position, and until "ya'll" came along, it was a fairly productive thread. So, who's the troll again?

Why are you even responding to these idiots? Just ignore them.

[Renshi]

Hmm... after reading some posts, I Do have a question for people who want this game to be FFXI-2.
Do you guys really want to play the same world, with the same characters and monsters, with the same fields, lands, dungeons and istances, just more "beautiful" for the eye?
Then what's the fun on it, or rather, what's the point?

As I played some Final Fantasy titles, every title is really different from each other. That's what, for me, made the Final Fantasy series to be unique in its genre, also counting in its beautiful stories, interesting characters, lore and world, and things like that.
We have Final Fantasy XIV. We should keep what was Final Fantasy XI away and let it be a good memory about our (your) lifes as MMORPG gamers, and finally meet a new chapter of the series, XIV.

There's nothing to do about it. This game is already on its trail to be Final Fantasy XIV, and changing now is too late.
Who cares if it's XI or not, just have fun!

[Tsuga]

Hmm... after reading some posts, I Do have a question for people who want this game to be FFXI-2.
Do you guys really want to play the same world, with the same characters and monsters, with the same fields, lands, dungeons and istances, just more "beautiful" for the eye?
Then what's the fun on it, or rather, what's the point?

As I played some Final Fantasy titles, every title is really different from each other. That's what, for me, made the Final Fantasy series to be unique in its genre, also counting in its beautiful stories, interesting characters, lore and world, and things like that.
We have Final Fantasy XIV. We should keep what was Final Fantasy XI away and let it be a good memory about our (your) lifes as MMORPG gamers, and finally meet a new chapter of the series, XIV.

There's nothing to do about it. This game is already on its trail to be Final Fantasy XIV, and changing now is too late.
Who cares if it's XI or not, just have fun!

I don't think that the OP, or all of the people in this thread that agree with him necessarily want this game to be a remake or continuation of XI. They're just suggesting that we should borrow more ideas from XI.

I hope instead that the devs borrow some more ideas from their original forecast for FFXIV, as a lot of the ideas proposed pre-alpha were pretty interesting.

To quote Aster:

I like you, lets be friends. After 10+ years of FFXI, I've heard news of FFXIV, something "DIFFERENT!" boy was I estatic, I could be whatever I wanted just by picking up a weapon! I wouldn't have a clone! I could sit on the edge of water fountains and see eternity! (I'm one of the FFXI players that actually wanted to see the potential of FFXIV and not a clone of a game I've played for 10 years)
I mean look at the things we could've had!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-cW56J8Gc5A

THINGS THAT WE HAD THAT NOW STILL OR DO NOT EXIST:


-Auto attack is removed. *sadly not anymore*
-Even if a skill gap is present among party members, kiling a monster will still grant combat skill increase.
-Skill caps are equivalent to level caps.
-Short guild leves are developed for those who do not have much time.
-There are specific combat skill Guild Leves - uses sword as an example.
-Different nations will have different guild leves.
-Aetheryte system developed for convenience and focus on content outside of cities. Reduce travel time for groups meeting up and make the entire system more efficient.
-Aside from just items and money, NM(Notorious monsters) may present rare item drops in Guild leves.
-HNM guild leaves are being developed for large groups and are being considered to be implemented in the game at launch. (HNMs confirmed?!?!)
-There won't be any overlap between players killing monsters for guild leves since they are all instanced for the guild leve recipients.
-There is non fighting content for crafting classes, but for advanced dungeons fighting will be necessary.
-Weapons now have durability, working with a crafter or leveling a crafting job yourself will be crucial to progression.
-Economy will still be trade among players driven with an auction house possibility. Other options are still being considered.
-SE is attemping to create an economy and trading system that people who do not play often can use as well.
-Currently only the 3 starting nations exist.
-The main aim or motivation for players in FFXIv will be "growth". You can develop your character and grow how you want to. Something a casual player and a hardcore player can share.
-Variation among armor progress more drastically than FFXI!
-Different armor will have different skill requirements. Each weapon has corresponding gear paths. ---There is general purpose gear and skill purposed gear, example is fencers for increased speed of sword skill leveling.
-Combat will be solo oriented until you join with friends
-Big emphasis on job skills and weapon upgrading; weapons determine your play-style

So many un-kept promises, and this isn't the half of them.

[Khal_Drogo]

I don't think that the OP, or all of the people in this thread that agree with him necessarily want this game to be a remake or continuation of XI. They're just suggesting that we should borrow more ideas from XI.

I hope instead that the devs borrow some more ideas from their original forecast for FFXIV, as a lot of the ideas proposed pre-alpha were pretty interesting.

To quote Aster:



So many un-kept promises, and this isn't the half of them.

Wow, thank you so much for saying all that Tsuga. Finally, someone understands lol...You just went up like 8475823853938483 notches in my book xD

-although, at this point, I'm sure that's more of an insult to you rather than a complement :P

Either way, thank you for clarifying.

[Haji]

Finally, someone understands lol...

If you want to be understood, then you should work on topic names. This one implies exact opposite of what you're trying to convey.

Then there is the fact, that the opening post is pretty much rant against (certain) forum users. Not a good way to befriend someone and make him understand your position.

[Khal_Drogo]

If you want to be understood, then you should work on topic names. This one implies exact opposite of what you're trying to convey.

Then there is the fact, that the opening post is pretty much rant against (certain) forum users. Not a good way to befriend someone and make him understand your position.

Ya, I know....I regret the title of the thread, somewhat lol -It was a line I used against someone who made some smart ass remark. Just found the post, so you can thank *him* for all the drama that occurred in this thread b/c of the title:

Originally Posted by BONKERS

Solution: Go play FFXI. K Thx bi.

My response:

Why go play XI? They just released XI-2 this past September, or didn't you notice? Maybe the game title is throwing you off?

Then it opened up a huge fight w/ anti-XI ppl, so to spite them, I decided to make an entire thread dedicated to to trying to make "haters" acknowledge that XI was a great game, and has a lot to bring to the table. Although, I agree with the "haters" on many points. Many, many many aspects of XI REALLY sucked. And the last thing I want XIV to be is: an XI clone w/ upgraded graphics...which is what I said in my opening statement.

I guess none of the the "haters" read that though.

[AsterBarnivere]

Ya, I know....I regret the title of the thread, somewhat lol -It was a line I used against someone who made some smart ass remark. Just found the post, so you can thank *him* for all the drama that occurred in this thread b/c of the title:




My response:




Then it opened up a huge fight w/ anti-XI ppl, so to spite them, I decided to make an entire thread dedicated to to trying to make "haters" acknowledge that XI was a great game, and has a lot to bring to the table. Although, I agree with the "haters" on many points. Many, many many aspects of XI REALLY sucked. And the last thing I want XIV to be is: an XI clone w/ upgraded graphics...which is what I said in my opening statement.

I guess none of the the "haters" read that though.

It's like FFVII... sure it was a great game in it's prime, but you'll never get your remake..

[Andrien]

Your intentions was fair, but your execution was flawed.

My comment about similarities between all Final Fantasy titles got to you.

[weeble]

not so much a better graphic ffxi, i just want to see all the good points in ffxiv that i enjoyed. and not even the same, i want to see it all different. like dynamisis, in that it is a 64man run, that is about the only thing i want to see the same, and cop missions, only thing i want the same is that there is full party battles, lots of them,with bosses and side bosses and side quests linked to them like wotg missions and all that, but none of it the same. basically any of the full ls or large group endgame types revamped and running to fit with ffxiv lore and 10times as much of it.

i'd like to see a form of campaign battles, but waaaaay more indepth, i'd like to see full party grinds not small little groups or solo, free porting to at least half the crystals like in ffxi make us run from mid points.

in reality the only things that are the same right now are the looks of the game, and the battle system is becoming more and more like ffxi(by way is the worst thing to be the same), the boats waisting our time on them instead of instant ports are the same. our characters, all cosmetics are the same. i'd say leves are more like wow, behest is just horrible lol. and the casual take is for sure not ffxi, and wish it would go ffxi. the dungeons remind me of warhammer, but for sure nothing like ffxi ones, they even feel like warhammer, soon enough people will be doing them with the simple concept of ...tank here, mage here, mele here ok? start. and this is what every group will be like for them lol. ffxi had dynamic mobs as well.

all things i'd like to see, it's not asking for ffxi-2 ..it's asking for parts that worked from it, rather then parts that didn't work from it, or didn't work for a diff mmo, or hell even worked for another mmo for that matter. they shouldn't feel the same, work the same, i don't want to do it and totally feel like i'm still playing ffxi, witch by the way i'm starting to feel like for the most of the day at this point. and i surely don't want to feel like i'm playing wow or warhammer pve either...