XI-2 was released this past September, or didn't you notice?

[Khal_Drogo]

I'm making this thread because I'm sick of seeing ppl whine and moan every time someone mentions anything about XI. Regardless of how oblivious everyone is, or how much they try to deny it, this game is XI-2. To quote some random hick: "If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it must be a g*@ damn duck." Just because ppl mention XI, and try to use it as a template to build off of doesn't mean they want an exact clone w/ upgraded graphics and a new story. So, stop being so dismissive every time these people make brilliant suggestions. If you all noticed, the game isn't doing that well right now, so ppl don't like it very much. SE isn't even charging...what's that tell you?

Wanna know something else? The majority of the changes that have been made were inspired by the FFXI crew, and Yoshi-P's genius. So, stop being close-minded, and acknowledge the obvious fact: XI was great; XIV can be better, but it needs to draw off of XI in order to do so.


I just got a response from one of the ppl who was pretty upset with this thread, in general. I think it's a pretty good sum up of everything I was *trying to say in this initial post:

The thing is, like you stated in this paragraph, XI and XIV are mostly only similar in appearance and aesthetic. The main reason behind this (which has been stated in interviews) is that XIV started out as an HD remake of XI, and then the team took it in a new direction.

Some things from XI worked, but it is not the only place that SE can borrow ideas from.... Again, I understand that you are saying that SOME things from XI were great, and it can't hurt to look to those ideas for inspiration. There is just usually a better solution than "copy this from XI, it was good".

I agree with this statement, completely; as do almost all the FFXI "fanboys" out there, I'm sure. So, before anyone comes in here to start an argument, please acknowledge the validity of the above quote. "Anybody ooo don't agree wit 'dat...is eider an idiot, ur uh fool" -Robin Hood (w/ Kevin Costner)

[Kam]

Hello new-ish forum poster. Read something thats tipped you over the edge? Or has it been a slow trickling effect thats finally worn you down?

Either way.

welcome!

[Natabant]

I see you're at it again Khal. You always get so passionate with your posts lol

It's a little intense, but I'm glad you're saying what needs to be said. I can't believe you though...you missed a perfect opportunity to get your original post in the right place! I'll go ahead and embed the link, and hope it gets some more traffic. You're welcome!


Hey guys, here's the real content. As you will all see, he played and loved XI lol It's good stuff though, so check it out.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...Please-Read%29

[Starlord]

Ummm Sorry, but this feels nothing like XI, Yes I love XI and played for 7 years, but if this WAS another FFXI I wouldn't be playing it because I would just go back and play FFXI if that was the case.

Reasons why:

- Camps
- More of a Chance to "Actually" solo and not fight to the death on an even Matched mob
- Soon this game is going to be FF Tactics with the whole Class>Job>Job Deal coming in 1.20 or 1.21 one of those two sounds right

Those are just examples as to Why its little to nothing like FFXI.

That's all I have to say on this matter

[Stockapotapoulos]

I like this guy's passion. If the game needs to draw on XI, then so be it, as long as they don't force me to party.

[Khal_Drogo]

Hello new-ish forum poster. Read something thats tipped you over the edge? Or has it been a slow trickling effect thats finally worn you down?

Either way.

welcome!

Ya, you could say that Kam. It's people like Starlord that are getting to me, and yes I read one thing in particular that set me off lol

Solution: Go play FFXI. K Thx bi.

Although, it's ppl like this that make me even happier. I'll paste our posts:

My reply lies below:


Let me add on to that list Jennestia:

Or how about the copy pasted Races with different names from XI?

Or the never ending request to copy paste the search feature from XI?

Or Chocobos and Airships from XI?

Or Auction House request and current analysis from XI?

Or Simplified Food system from XI?

Or... someone else can continue.

Please use another line from now on Winnipeg.

SE itself isn't listening to your anti XI rants with their decisions. If they did, the game would be shut down by now.
In the end it's all about what makes the game successful and bringing the customer base and attracting the masses back.

I will point out again this is not a literal request to copy paste XI, imo system like FFT would also work perfect. It's the concept of what works rather than the idea of cloning.

My response

Thank you SO much for that list Gennosuke. Ppl are so incredibly stupid; it never ceases to amaze me. How oblivious can you be? You could literally go on forever. And, I can't stand when ppl try to bring up how much other FF titles had in common with one another; as if that justifies the "coincidental" similarities between XIV and XI. They aren't virtually identical because they're drawing from the same source. They're virtually identical because SE saw the success they had with XI, and wanted to do their best to make a new MMO that could bring in XI fans, as well as tap into the market that draws casual players like ppl who play WoW. What ended up happening was a really shitty attempt at an XI clone. If you're gonna do something, don't do it half-assed. The majority of XI's problems could still be addressed without too much adjustment in XIV. The job system is one of the major ones. The battle-pace is another (far too fast). And the spamming of abilities, cures, and buffs. Get rid of that, and you're practically set. Endless grinding and bogus exp loss from a death were two of the biggest issues ppl had w/ XI; having to sit through nm spawn times ranging from 1 hour to 3+ days for some of the most trivial items was another one; and limited race/sex choices. Most, if not all, have been or will be addressed very soon. All that's left is the need to implement some sort of job/sub job system ****SIMILAR**** to XI, and the game is practically a guaranteed success. Did ya'll catch that? ***similar*** to XI -not a clone. Anybody understand the difference?

[Holyomen]

Oh yeah, they used swords in XI didn't they?
I see the connection now.

[Kam]

Ummm Sorry, but this feels nothing like XI, Yes I love XI and played for 7 years, but if this WAS another FFXI I wouldn't be playing it because I would just go back and play FFXI if that was the case.

Reasons why:

- Camps
- More of a Chance to "Actually" solo and not fight to the death on an even Matched mob
- Soon this game is going to be FF Tactics with the whole Class>Job>Job Deal coming in 1.20 or 1.21 one of those two sounds right

Those are just examples as to Why its little to nothing like FFXI.

That's all I have to say on this matter

There are lots of similarities to draw between the two. Not that it would achieve much.

[Khal_Drogo]

Oh yeah, they used swords in XI didn't they?
I see the connection now.

lol Holyomen ; ; -why must you ppl torment me so! T.T

You guys know that it's a carbon-copy of XI, just admit it.....yes, there were big, big changes made, but there's no denying it. Look at FFX compared to FFX-2. I could say the same thing to you about those: "UHH, oh duh, the storyline was a continuation of the first one and the title said it was sequel, blah, blah, blah, blah; I'm so funny. I see the connection now."

[miqokini]

XI was a great, immersive, magical, dream-like game.

People who don't want XIV to be like XI have poop in their heads instead of brains.