Xeno's Warrior Opener Guide *updated 2.5

[ShaolinMike]

A good DPS will never pull hate. Any static the WAR should be able to use this opener. Epeen PUG groups are where the issue lies.

I just got back into WAR tanking after getting frustrated with dungeon queue times while working on my BLM zodiak. I'm just a lowly i110 VIT WAR (haven't redone my stats yet) with the Diamond Axe, and I've had zero issue grabbing/holding aggro on boss fights against DPS with much higher ilvls / Nexus weapons.

[Xenosys]

Ive watched alot of your vids and i think you do a great job tanking, but i can tell you this right now, there is no way you would hold aggro from me with that opener. Id have it off of you before you ever got close to your first butchers.

Haha Nah man it's Solid. I use this opener 100% of the time and aggro has never been an issue. I group with some of the hardest hitting dps that play this game(from what I have seen anyway) in my sell runs and my main static. I demonstrate it all the time on my Twitch when I stream, and my youtube vids.

[Xenosys]

If he can lose hate to a range dps not using Quelling(Which he says happens) then he will lose hate to a good melee with his 115 axe is what im saying.

I never said that. I gave examples for reasons it COULD happen. Holding aggro is stupid easy. The burst my main groups dps has is banana sandwich. Just because you have pulled off undergeared or bad tanks does not mean my opener is wrong, it means that particular tank wasnt equipped for it or messed it up.

[Gardes]

How much potency would a warrior have generated by the time he finishes his first storm's eye with this opener anyway? How much enmity potency? Maybe it'll help with assuring some non tanks about how 'safe' it is. Like.."unless you generate more than this much potency within x seconds of pull, you won't pull it off me" kinda thing.

Edit: just reread the thread and found someone listing the potency but it wasn't that concise. eh.

[Izsha]

How much potency would a warrior have generated by the time he finishes his first storm's eye with this opener anyway? How much enmity potency? Maybe it'll help with assuring some non tanks about how 'safe' it is. Like.."unless you generate more than this much potency within x seconds of pull, you won't pull it off me" kinda thing.

Edit: just reread the thread and found someone listing the potency but it wasn't that concise. eh.

Ignoring the potion effects it was 2973 enmity based potency from the opening OP till after you land eye. That includes all b8ffs from maim, zerk, unchain, and activation enmity from buffs. But that is still in tank stats. 100 tank potency is still worth less than 100 dragoon potency because we have to gear more accuracy and inevitably get stuck with some parry and some hybrid accs instead of 100% str accs, but that's not a big deal in the grand scheme. Those are also assuming 0 crits at any point. A dps would need to do close to 3000 potency in 3 gcds to rip hate. And that is with no warm up time. 8th just not really possible.

As I said before, drgs strongest combo is 1000 pot and that's if you let CT 30 sec dot count as instant damage. they have 5 gcds before you land sunder locking it down. HT, ct combo, phleb. That's the drg opener and no number if jumps weaved will get anywhere near the required potency. By the time they are doing their life surged Gull thrust with max buffs you landed butchers 2 gcd ago with your max buffs.

If you are using str or hybrid gear and in the same ballpark of weapon and ilvl, you won't loose threat.

[Sleigh]

Ignoring the potion effects it was 2973 enmity based potency from the opening OP till after you land eye. That includes all b8ffs from maim, zerk, unchain, and activation enmity from buffs. But that is still in tank stats. 100 tank potency is still worth less than 100 dragoon potency because we have to gear more accuracy and inevitably get stuck with some parry and some hybrid accs instead of 100% str accs, but that's not a big deal in the grand scheme. Those are also assuming 0 crits at any point. A dps would need to do close to 3000 potency in 3 gcds to rip hate. And that is with no warm up time. 8th just not really possible.

I'm not really saying this is wrong but the potential danger of the opener, is the time from pull to right before SE. It's not really 3000 potency in 3 GCDs they have to do, it's a lot less within 2 GCDs.

I will say if everyone does their part, Quelling on BLM/BRD, I find it's a pretty secure opener if STR specced. Only Sword Oath PLD should take from you but as mentioned they can just do Fracture or Riot Blade to start and there's a lot less danger.

[Izsha]

Edited precious post a smidge but here's the important parts.

0 sec (1st strike) OP 900 threat
2.5 sec 1320. Heavy
5.0 sec 1800. Maim
7.5 sec 2973. Eye
10 sec 349. Heavy
12.5 sec 5565. Sunder
15 sec 10887. BB

you strike 1st with 900 enmity pot with unbuffered OP. No one can take that off you in 1 gcd. Impossible. 1320 after heavy, 1800 after maim. That's your mist vulnerable point after op, before eye. You should have 1 gcd advantage over dps because you hit 1st obviously. That's 3 gcds for you, and 2 to 2.5 for everyone else. What can a dps do in the space of 2.5 gcds that pushes 1800 pot? Let's say 1500 after you account for higher acc, parry, and lower str on war fear. Remember this is no warm up.

A mnk can pop PB and land demo and 2 snaps. Not enough by a mile.
Blm, even with timed thunder 3 landing as you pull is just F3, fire 1 and a thunder tick. Nope.
Drg HT, ID, Dis. Nope.
Smn? Lawl.
Bard? Straight shot, 2 dots. Nope.

After this point you have a super buff eye that lands which is enough cement in your zerk ed up unchained state for for 2 more gcds when sunder lands and then nothing can take it from you.

Most tanks loose hate after tomahawk/lob. There's a reason you start with OP. OP is 900 threat(in defiance) before maim and other buffs. Toma is a crappy 585 in defiance. So yeah, Toma to heavy to maim sucks and that's when tanks loose it. OP and str gear is what gives you the wiggle room to pull this off.

Vit hero's with toma/lob are gonna loose hate. More str, more OP.

[Lavieh]

Math.

Only job that has a chance to pull hate if this opener is done is ninja. But the ninja would have to open up with DE and some pretty nice Crits.

Regardless, Wars should be opening with OP. If they are struggling maintaining hate with Xeno's opener then just use Unchained before you OP and you are golden.

[SirTaint]

BRD has 3 ogcd attacks for openers.

BRD and NIN are the most potent with a lucky proc BLM in third.

Quelling strikes fixes BLm and BRD for the good ones.

[ShadowYomi]

Planning on trying a strength tank but have a few questions. Will the augmented str accessories and ironworks fendinding be enough without having to use crafted gear? Besides determination should I go crit on relic or will ironworks offer enough accuracy? Final question but what will have the least impact cross skill wise a paladin without stoneskin or a warrior without awareness?