soo are the dragons really the enemy?

[Hiruke]

There is no difference in what the English and Japanese dialogue communicated. Both referred to the past conflict as a motivator for the ongoing war.

This is factually inaccurate. In these lines in particular, the English says they are going to war because of the past. In the Japanese, it's because of the past, and, MORE IMPORTANTLY, that that past is now being repeated.

English makes them seem spiteful.

Japanese gives them a legit reason.

I mean, the difference is right there in the lines. Full breakdown in following (spoiler) thread:

http://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/commen...ersus_english/

[LineageRazor]

This is factually inaccurate.
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I mean, the difference is right there in the lines. Full breakdown in following (spoiler) thread:

Intaki is aware of the Reddit spoiler thread:

The Japanese version (or rather, the Redditor with an agenda version) simply tries to justify it further by insinuating that because Ishgard did bad things before, it follows that it will do so again.

He/she believes that it is the result of a biased translation - that the translator wished to portray the dragons in a positive light, and so tailored his or her translation to emphasize this. I do not know if there's any truth to that belief. It would take someone fluent in Japanese to examine that Reddit thread and declare, "Yeah, that's pretty much the best, most straightforward way to translate that." or "Huh, there's some odd translation choices being made here. The author may have an agenda!" I don't know if anyone in this thread, including Intaki, has those qualifications, so it's pointless to argue about it. Intaki thinks liberties were taken, and no one else here can provide any evidence to the contrary since none of us can translate it ourselves.

Anyway, what I'm most curious about is whether the Heavensward expansion Main Scenario quests are going to require completion of the original Main Scenario quests to begin them. One thing that was kind of interesting in FFXI was that each expansion had a completely independent storyline, with the exception of the first expansion (which required completion of the Main Scenario of the base game). You could play the scenario from Wings of the Goddess without ever touching the scenario from. Making expansions independent has a lot going for it - players new to the game purchasing the expansion don't have to worry about catching up on all the previous expansions before they can dig into the new stuff.

Every indication right now is that Heavensward is going to pick right up from the current Main Scenario. It's early in the game's life, so maybe this is feasible now, just as Rise of the Zilart was when it was released for FFXI.

[MilesSaintboroguh]

blah.

Highly doubt it since the end of 2.5 seems to be shaping up to throwing you into the mess that is Ishgard and how their troubles might spill over into other city states if it's not dealt with soon, not to mention the showing of the Ascians influencing the Holy See in some way and said Ascians have been troublesome to everyone for a long time.

[Intaki]

The lack of accuracy of the Reddit translation has been called out by people in other threads who also claim literacy in Japanese, just to add to the above post.

[Kukajoo]

nice info, thanks!
im really excited to see how it all plays out, maybe even we will get branded as a criminal by our once ally's after learning the truth and acting for the greater good, sort of like iceheart.
i guess only the future may tell though

[EdwinLi]

nice info, thanks!
im really excited to see how it all plays out, maybe even we will get branded as a criminal by our once ally's after learning the truth and acting for the greater good, sort of like iceheart.
i guess only the future may tell though

Actually we may lose our allies in 2.5 Part 2 due to the Trailer and 2.5 events strongly hinting that something bad will happen to the City-State Leaders, Minfilia, the Scions, and our Ishgard Allies during the the Ul'dah part of 2.5 Part 2. Leaving the WoL with only him or herself until 3.0 when the WoL meet the Scions again and rescue the City-State Leaders, Minfilia, and our Ishgard Allies.

But this is just speculation since the 2.5 trailer and 2.5 Part 1 MS strongly forshadow more tragedy and betrayal for 2.5 Part 2.

[kyuven]

The trailer also showed Iceheart....
Who wants to bet the "sin" involved Shiva?

[EdwinLi]

The trailer also showed Iceheart....
Who wants to bet the "sin" involved Shiva?

I can't see Iceheart as the Sin since she is the one who guided us to Midgar and warned us that something is wrong with the current Ishgard.

My best guess is that the Sin involves Ishgard allying themsleves with the Ascians or at least perform the Ascians work.

Speaking of appearance...

A fun little note about the 2.5 Part 2 section of the 2.5 trailer is that in the 2.5 Trailer you'll notice there is a mysterious Elezen Dragoon wearing a Black Dragoon Armor and wielding the Dragoon AF Weapon watching the Dragon's assault on Ishgard. I'm guessing that is Estinien from the Dragoon Job Quest.

[Dererk]

Never cast judgment until you hear both sides and come to your own conclusion.

Ishgard has been at war with the dragons since they first settled in cortas it started when a great wyrm attacked them he lost his eye to their king the first asura dragoon. But we barely know the dragons side because despite their long lives I doubt they'd continue for this long unless they were about to start something big that can shake the realm.
We just don't have enough info to know which side is right.

Also there are a lot of dragons and their very strong I'm sure if they really just wanted to burn Isgard they'd have done so years ago.

And the fact that it was originally Isgard that started the Eorzean alliance during Almahigos invasion for the Black shroud and they closed them selves off during the Garmalds invasion blocking all type of communication says there's something very wrong going on the Acian presence just proves this fact.

[Tonkra]

Midgardsormr minion form also resembles the future Dragon Flying Mount we will obtain for completing 3.0 Main Scenario.

No it definatley resembles the Wyvern pet from the Dragoon in FFXI






It was a smash into my face (as i loved the DRG in FF11)

well hopefully midgardsormr minion is becoming a new skill in Heavensward for DRG (in a bigger version) that if you call that wyvern pet you transfer 25% of your damage potency to it. And it heaving healing and fire breath like in FF11. Would be aussum^ if you dont like it, you dont have to take it out

but well.. it seems doutbful..