Gold Saucer outfits, gender locked?

[Kiroh]

I wanted so badly to get a pair of bunny ears. ._.

[Kurenai_Night]

And yet when girls want to cover up..

This was my entire point. The argument works both ways so why call someone intolerant and selfish when the same words you use can work in reverse. Do I advocate making a game in such a way as not to bother people who have been traumatized? Not at all. All I'm saying is there has to be a line in the sand somewhere and calling people intolerant and selfish doesn't help us figure out where that line ought to be. People are always trying to push push push their "self-expression" on to others and when someone objects they are called names for it. The forums are filled with it. ..Also, not once have I told someone to glamour themselves differently

[Kurenai_Night]

Heck, make it slacks and a vest (no shirt), with bunny ears and tail, and most of us would be happy. Just give us something to even the scales.

Same as I was explaining to ophie, my point is these arguments do in fact work both ways and a line has to be drawn at some point. I happened to agree with you! Men should get the same amount of clothing as women. I wouldn't say SE has gone so far as to make the ration 2 to 1 with regards to women getting twice the amount of clothes men do.. But I'm perfectly fine with men having a male equivalent of a bunny suit. That wouldn't bother me at all. I wasn't necessarily arguing against it, just saying people dont need to be calling others selfish and intolerant etc. Everyone has their opinion and preferences. We should be working together to find the fine line that the majority of people can be happy with. There are the extremely conservative and the extremely risque.. Just want to find an agreeable middle is all.

[Teia]

Oh? and what choice to the individual who doesn't want to see a man parading about in a bunny suit? What choice have you left them?

Concern trolling does not become you. Going by your logic, you might as well ask why'd they add a dagger-wielding class/job when that might trigger people who've been the victim of knife violence. If all you've got is "but my right not to see things trumps others' rights to express themselves freely" (which has traditionally been an anthem against social progress in the real world, see also racial integration, gay marriage, etc) as well as appealing to shallow concern trolling, then your argument doesn't hold any weight regardless. You've offered no sound, substantive argument for why "lines have to be drawn" where you say they are, and have instead just went off on repeating your assertions with some manufactured concern. I'm not taking that bait.

[Niwashi]

The argument works both ways so why call someone intolerant and selfish when the same words you use can work in reverse.

But the only times anyone has been called intolerant or selfish it was because they demanded the rule should work in only one direction (that of their own personal preference), and not in reverse.

[Battlewrench]

Kurenai_Night I agree with your point and any civilized society or community needs to find a line or what is acceptable. However forum warriors who want to discredit any point that may let people feel like they can disagree with what they want will make them "attack" you. Your over extreme example just gave them fuel.

[Kurenai_Night]

Concern trolling does not become you..

First I'm not trolling in any manner.. I'm having a genuinely polite and constructive conversation with you and others. Again the name calling for no reason.. Which does nothing to further the conversation and only damages your own character.. Secondly, where did I say either position trumps the other?? Straw-man. Did I give my opinion on what I rather see? Yes. But at no point in time did I say my opinion outweighs yours. In my post to ophie I just explained that I am not advocating developers make games based around people who have been traumatized. The very real example I gave, weather you/others find it extreme or not, coupled with the fact that conservatives play this game as well (playing just like you paying just like you) is in and of itself the reason lines should be drawn. If you don't see the negative nature of a world where everyone just expresses themselves however they please at this point in your life.. I don't think there is any argument no matter how impressive that will mean anything to you.

I gave you both extremes to show you the reason why lines have to be drawn. Not everyone wants an ultra conservative game and not everyone wants an ultra risque game, in dress or otherwise. So obviously a line has to be drawn somewhere right? I dont know how to make it any more simpler than that. Again, If you don't find that "sound" and "substantive" then you just want what you want regardless of your conservative fellows who play the game with you and there is no argument to persuade you otherwise.

[Kurenai_Night]

But the only times anyone has been called intolerant or selfish it was because they demanded the rule should work in only one direction (that of their own personal preference), and not in reverse.

You really believe this after all your 1,529 posts? Ive only been here a short time and my experience is vastly different from yours on this matter. Maybe you know a section of the forums that is better mannered? lol

[Kurenai_Night]

Kurenai_Night I agree with your point and... ..Your over extreme example just gave them fuel.

It's the only way some people understand that, just because someone objects to you having more "self expression" doesnt mean they are selfish or intolerant. Which is why I gave the extreme of a murderer, thief, etc. Who obviously needs be resitricted for obvious reasons. Using the logic of the above posters can be used for them as well. I watched countless documentaries of these people (the extreme I cited above) doing these acts as "self expression." Hence there obviously needs to be a line somewhere. Some lines are more obvious than others but a line there must be. Anywho.. Patch is out so im done on here for a few weeks while I work on enjoying this patch! Bye folks!

[Oce]

The fact that the game started with little to no gender locked outfits, equally skimpy wear for the men as badass clothes for the women, and is now moving down a path of gender-locking and "women dress sexy, men dress manly", is counter-productive. FFXIV has received a lot of praise for it's equal representation of ridiculous and badass fantasy armour that doesn't change between gender. But in this one patch alone they've added numerous gender-locked outfits.

I'm incredibly disappointed in the design staff for this move, and I hope we get something of a comment soon about what they intend to do for the future -- which will, hopefully, be more inclusive towards female gaze instead of just male gaze.

Additionally, attempting to use sexual assault to back up your point is incredibly insensitive and terrible to people who have actually experienced sexual assault, please do not speak for me or my ilk in an attempt to back up your nasty opinion on gender inclusivity.