Lag

[Medicine]

Ever since patch 2.4 came in I've been lagging more and more now 2.5 is here and i'm lagging so bad its becoming frustrating to just play the game I can't even craft without getting 3-5 second delays after i use a skill. What's going on with the game, it's not just me is it?

[Kiara1]

Happens to me too.
And whenever I bring it up on the forums I get the "use WTfast it's your ISP's fault you lag"
and I bought a month of WTfast to try it out and it's not doing anything at all, "connection improvement 5%" but still lagging like crazy.

During prime time I can't do Ex primals so I have to play on my alts doing low level dungeons where I can't cause wipes

[Raist]

Happens to me too.
And whenever I bring it up on the forums I get the "use WTfast it's your ISP's fault you lag"
and I bought a month of WTfast to try it out and it's not doing anything at all, "connection improvement 5%" but still lagging like crazy.

During prime time I can't do Ex primals so I have to play on my alts doing low level dungeons where I can't cause wipes

Have you tried it with different VPN locations? Depending on just where you are getting routed at the other side of the tunnel, you could still be running into routing issues...possibly even the same.

Edit:
For example, here is a trace when connecting to TunnelBear's VPN in New York:

Tracing route to neolobby02.ffxiv.com [199.91.189.74]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

  1    42 ms    41 ms    45 ms  172.18.13.1
  2    46 ms    58 ms    56 ms  162.243.172.1
  3    45 ms    42 ms    44 ms  nyk-b2-link.telia.net [62.115.45.1]
  4    41 ms    44 ms    43 ms  nyk-bb2-link.telia.net [62.115.134.109]
  5    71 ms    58 ms    44 ms  nyk-b6-link.telia.net [213.155.133.13]
  6    45 ms    42 ms    43 ms  tinet-ic-141888-nyk-b5.c.telia.net [213.248.81.6]
  7    50 ms    51 ms    54 ms  xe-9-0-0.mtl10.ip4.gtt.net [141.136.105.162]
  8    78 ms    53 ms    51 ms  ormuco-gw.ip4.gtt.net [216.221.156.110]
  9    71 ms    63 ms    52 ms  192.34.76.2
 10    51 ms    51 ms    53 ms  199.91.189.234
 11    54 ms    53 ms    55 ms  199.91.189.74

Trace complete.

And here is what happens when I just tried their VPN to Montreal:

Tracing route to neolobby02.ffxiv.com [199.91.189.74]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

  1    63 ms    64 ms    64 ms  172.18.11.1
  2    64 ms    63 ms    65 ms  192.99.6.252
  3    65 ms    63 ms    66 ms  198.27.73.95
  4     *        *        *     Request timed out.
  5     *        *        *     Request timed out.
  6     *        *        *     Request timed out.
  7    70 ms    72 ms   184 ms  nyk-bb2-link.telia.net [213.155.130.31]
  8    72 ms    73 ms    74 ms  nyk-b6-link.telia.net [80.91.254.38]
  9    70 ms   311 ms    72 ms  tinet-ic-141888-nyk-b5.c.telia.net [213.248.81.6]
 10   101 ms   102 ms   101 ms  xe-9-1-0.mtl10.ip4.gtt.net [89.149.180.218]
 11    93 ms    91 ms    92 ms  ormuco-gw.ip4.gtt.net [216.221.156.110]
 12    90 ms    90 ms    92 ms  192.34.76.2
 13    90 ms    92 ms    93 ms  199.91.189.234
 14    92 ms    90 ms    92 ms  199.91.189.74

Trace complete.

[Frost_Trunks]

Happens to me too.
And whenever I bring it up on the forums I get the "use WTfast it's your ISP's fault you lag"
and I bought a month of WTfast to try it out and it's not doing anything at all, "connection improvement 5%" but still lagging like crazy.

During prime time I can't do Ex primals so I have to play on my alts doing low level dungeons where I can't cause wipes

I am trying WTFast too, and I seem to see less "rubber banding" than I did before. However, the client says I have "No Improvement" at all........ I still get 90k'd often.

I honestly think a lot of it has to do with server congestion. Often when I get the boot, I try logging back in to find the server is full. They may end up making new servers and asking people to volunteer to transfer. That's what they did in XI

[Rammstein81]

Server congestion is the usual means for a player to be logged out. I am using a PS4, then I got the 14 day trial of Final Fantasy 14 and I did not had any lags and no 90K errors. As soon as I buy the game with the 30 day trial, there still no lag, between 30 and 60 frames per second on a PS4 which is very good, but, I get logged out with the 90K error or the 2002 error every 4 to 8 minutes of gameplay. I really want to start paying monthly for this game but I do not think is worth it so far.

[Medicine]

Pretty sure it's not my ISP's fault considering I've never lagged until patch 2.4

[Duuude007]

Pretty sure it's not my ISP's fault considering I've never lagged until patch 2.4

Unfortunately that isn't an argument at all. Nor is it likely that the timing was SPECIFICALLY when the patch landed.

Read up on 'net neutrality' and how the internet big-wigs are trying to destroy it, so they can throttle clients using up large bandwidth. Especially streaming sites and MMOs.

They have already begun. People are fighting the good fight to restore Net Neutrality, but many are affected in the meanwhile, likely you as well.

[Medicine]

Unfortunately that isn't an argument at all. Nor is it likely that the timing was SPECIFICALLY when the patch landed.

Read up on 'net neutrality' and how the internet big-wigs are trying to destroy it, so they can throttle clients using up large bandwidth. Especially streaming sites and MMOs.

They have already begun. People are fighting the good fight to restore Net Neutrality, but many are affected in the meanwhile, likely you as well.

Then explain why FFXIV is the only game i play were i get any lag at all because honestly i don't understand much of this. Also maybe it didn't happen as soon as the patch landed but i know that before the patch hit i wasn't lagging at all and by the time i logged back in i was getting alot of lag not to mention all the recent 90k's/90k2's.

[Raist]

Then explain why FFXIV is the only game i play were i get any lag at all because honestly i don't understand much of this. Also maybe it didn't happen as soon as the patch landed but i know that before the patch hit i wasn't lagging at all and by the time i logged back in i was getting alot of lag not to mention all the recent 90k's/90k2's.

/sigh....

Shame people haven't been paying more attention to this issue that has plagued us for decades, and is repeatedly discussed on these forums. Just gonna copy/paste a post from one of the many other threads on the issue...please, even if you don't read what I typed out, at least read the blog posts listed. They are from professionals in the field whose job is to manage this crap:

Well.. it's been almost a year now (March 2014) since filings were made at the FCC about how certain ISP's were intentionally neglecting to upgrade bandwidth at the exchange points, effectively choking bandwidth. Similar filings were made over a year prior from another company (TATA) as well. In the 2014 filings, it was revealed that even when one of their routing partners (Level3) that was trying to resolve the issue for some of these ISP's offered to pay a large portion of the costs for upgrades to accommodate the increased demands on the exchanges, the offer was rejected. These incidents have been a big driving force behind the Net Neutrality movement that has been going on for over a year now as well.

And this isn't the first time we've gone through these headaches either. Level3 went to AT&T about these kinds of issues back in 2011 as well...and it was still a problem when they filed with the FCC last year. I've been seeing it crop it's ugly head up off and on for various services (not JUST games) across different regions since I started gaming online almost 20 years ago. It is a known and documented problem in the industry...it is just kept under wraps so the unsuspecting public doesn't hold them accountable. We are paying them to maintain the networks and they keep jacking up the rates while the QoS continues to get lower and lower. So long as the uninformed want to go on blaming Netflix or the game developers for the shoddy network infrastructure... they continue to get away with over charging people for sub-par internet service.

So... yes... there is a pretty good chance that along the particular route(s) you may be getting assigned for getting to Ormuco in Montreal may have some segments that have been neglected for a long time. And here's the rub... so long as people continue to poo-poo the idea that there may be something going on between any number of the dozen or so hops between their system and the destination, it may never get resolved properly. That's how they've managed to get away with this "speeds up to X Mbit/sec" crap for 20 some-odd years. They won't guarantee a specific speed because they know they can't since they've grossly oversold the local bandwidth against their top-tier exchange's bandwidths.

EDIT:
Here are a series of blog posts that may help clarify things for some of you guys that aren't up to speed on what all this is about:

“Chicken” | A Game Played as a Child and by some ISPs with the Internet
Observations of an Internet Middleman
When the Middleman and ISP are Aligned
Heads ISPs Win, Tails You Lose (And a way to fix it)
Verizon’s Accidental Mea Culpa
“Not” Neutrality?

Here's a snippet from that last one, where they were illustrating one of the problems they've found:

But it is now late September. So what has changed? Well, let us look at three large Local Exchange Carriers (LECs) in the United States. These LECs are telephone companies that built broadband networks on the back of monopoly-funded telephone infrastructure. Over the past six months, the utilization of each interconnection location between their networks and Level 3’s has changed as shown in the following diagram.



Each number shows utilization at one of the interconnection locations in various cities throughout the United States between Level 3 and the LECs. Utilization above 85% indicates the LEC is causing congestion in that city by refusing to add interconnection capacity

[FyrmurlFloerasksyn]

I don't craft, but i'm not having that lag with anything else.