Midgardsormr Clarification? (Spoilers)

[Kiyouma]

So I don't think I am fully able to digest what happened in this encounter at the end of the Keeper of the Lake dungeon?

So Hydaelyn is silent for some reason? why isn't she helping the scions anymore?
And did Midgardsormr destroy our blessing just so someone else could defeat us? It seems highly unlikely because he is constantly observing us (main char). He doesn't seem too focused on anyone else except the main character. We even get his minion that follows us around. Is he acting like some sort of father figure similar to how Hydaelyn was acting as a mother figure?

I'm just sort of confused what we wants besides the destruction of Coertas. I feel like he has a reason for wanting them destroyed(just like what Iceheart was trying to do).

It constantly seems like Coertas are the the evil ones and the Dravians (?) and Iceheart's followers are the misunderstood good ones. What are your thoughts?

[Intaki]

While the Ishgard/Dravania conflict has definitely been set up to be mired in shades of grey, it's a bit of a leap to propose that the Dravanians might actually be the good guys. Sure, it's entirely possible that, counter to their own historical beliefs, the Ishgardians actually drew first blood. But you have to remember that as dedicated to wiping out the dragons as the Ishgardians are, the reverse is also true. Nidhogg destroyed an entire town, killing literally everyone in it except the single survivor (Estinien) rescued by Alberic. Keep in mind also that the Dravanians don't hesitate to also magically enthrall people, driving them insane and making them serve the Horde.

Whatever wrongs might have been committed against them, the Dravanian Horde does not possess the hallmarks of a morally good faction.

[Eloah]

MAJOR SPOILER DON'T READ IF YOU HAVEN'T COMPLETED KEEPER OF THE LAKE

Okay, well for those who might not of been able to pick up on it because of the great job the loacalization team did; no sarcasm doing it the way they did was very smart. But anyway Midgardsormr isn't bad he is basically your new ally. While the details have yet to be ironed out, only in English, to my knowledge, is his speech vague, whereas in Japanese his speech indicates he is your ally.

[dragonflie]

MAJOR SPOILER DON'T READ IF YOU HAVEN'T COMPLETED KEEPER OF THE LAKE

Okay, well for those who might not of been able to pick up on it because of the great job the loacalization team did; no sarcasm doing it the way they did was very smart. But anyway Midgardsormr isn't bad he is basically your new ally. While the details have yet to be ironed out, only in English, to my knowledge, is his speech vague, whereas in Japanese his speech indicates he is your ally.

Just to add in, theses are some translations of the JP version:
http://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/commen...ersus_english/

[Kiyouma]

Just to add in, theses are some translations of the JP version:
http://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/commen...ersus_english/

Thanks for this!

And yea it seems like Midgardsormr is on our side for the time being. I feel that that displeasure that the dravania and ishgard have for each other is something that was fabricated by an outside source. Good to know that the politics behind this conflict makes it so that both sides aren't solely good or evil.

[Eltaire]

There's no explanation as to why Hydaelyn isn't responding to the the Echo blessed Scions any more. It's speculated that she is getting weaker, and due to this she is unable to provide protection to the Hero of Light (possibly as Zodiark is getting stronger?) However one thing that confuses me is that only we have the Blessing of Light... right? Then why is it that by us not having it, all the Scions are effected (I won't go into detail of this, as that's a spoiler for later).

I believe by removing the Blessing of Light, Midgardsormr is testing you, to see if you can prove that you can accomplish feats on your own. The whole battle against Ultima Weapon was victorious solely because Hydaelyn gave her power to strip the powers of Ultima Weapon. Had she not done that, who knows how the battle would have gone. So for this reason, I believe Midgardsormr is now following you (as a Minion), to see what you can do on you own - and whether you're able to live up to the expectation that Hydaelyn put upon you.

[Anonymoose]

I believe <...>

If you take all four languages worth of Midgardsormr's dialogue into account, a lot of it comes together.

COMBINED / PARAPHRASED DIALOGUE

Who shows such irreverence as to enter my resting place and disturb my slumber?
You are (ignorant / forgetful) to not know me, I am the (lord / first / genesis) of dragons.
You possess the Echo, but it is not your salvation.
Is it by Her will that we have met? ... What is it that has led you to me?
A star? Yes, it burns bright, my kind rallies to the call.
Ishgard will burn. They remember not fear or the crimes that have been committed.
The sons have inherited their father's sins, and with their deaths will their crimes be avenged.
We will never forget, we will never forgive, we will not allow their sins to be repeated.
One of my seven children sings for justice. That the advance will halt is but false hope.
I rouse only to respond and join in the song.
Man repents not his sins against us. The earth will be scorched and they will be undone. This is your last hour.
---- Attack is deflected by Hydaelyn's protection ----
What trickery is this?! That light! This is Your chosen!?
You give this vulgar being powers beyond the Echo, and beyond what it deserves! And you would wish for me to aid them?
If this be your wish, I must accept it. Fear not, mortal...
---- The crystals of light are darkened ----
By my claw has been sealed the blessing of light.
But I will not harm you, the threat of that comes from elsewhere.
At the beginning, Hydaelyn gave me shelter and light.
You, who are young and weak, have long enjoyed Her grace, but no more.
---- Midgardsormr creates a small dragon ----
This is my incarnation, a piece of my soul. I send it with you, as we are now bound.
It's eyes are my eyes, its ears are my ears. Let us see what you do without the protection of light.
Will this trial lead to war's end? Are you more than just a porter of borrowed power?
Can you overcome the mark I've laid upon you with your own strength? Man has ever coveted that just beyond his reach.
I drink of this land's aether and by Her grace am I gradually restored.
When this incarnation is whole, the loyal and penitent shall rejoice.
The song of my children covers the whole of the sky and heralds both beginning and end.

only we have the Blessing of Light... right? Then why is it that by us not having it, all the Scions are effected

It's possible that her protecting of the one with the Blessing of Light has weakened her too much to reach out to any one with the Echo.

[Mysteltain]

If you take all four languages worth of Midgardsormr's dialogue into account, a lot of it comes together.


It's possible that her protecting of the one with the Blessing of Light has weakened her too much to reach out to any one with the Echo.

Reading your compilation gives me a thought: what if, by stripping us of Hydaelyn's Blessing, he's helping her to recover? She's been growing weaker and weaker throughout the main scenario, and it's not too much of a leap to assume that she's been depleting what little power she has left defending both the Warrior of Light and the Scions from the Ascians. Midgardsormr admits that Hydaelyn was the one who gave him life and strength, so what if he's returning the favor? To me, at least, his dialogue can be interpreted as "Hydaelyn gave me life, and She now dies by helping you. I shall shoulder Her burden, but I will not coddle you as She has. Prove to me that you are worthy of Her Blessing."

[Terrini]

Reading your compilation gives me a thought: what if, by stripping us of Hydaelyn's Blessing, he's helping her to recover?

I actually thought this with the original text, talking about a covenant. It's like they had a deal a long time ago. So I had thought that he was easing her burden and became our prprotector instead.

[Kaiser-Ace]

I actually thought this with the original text, talking about a covenant. It's like they had a deal a long time ago. So I had thought that he was easing her burden and became our prprotector instead.

Like wise though, even though he will act as counsel and guidance, Midgaurdsormir will NOT directly intervene on our behalf should we get in a jam. He wants us to prove ourselves "Worthy" or Hydalyn's blessing by being able to prove we can accomplish our destiny with out it.

Seems he views our victory over the Ultima Weapon as only being possible because of Hydaelyn acting as a crutch and throwing us a handicap. So since he refuses to "Codel" us he's demanding that we "Grow Up" so to speak and learn to rely on out own power first and not need to burden the Mother Crystal during her waning strength with trivialities that we should (In his point of view) have no excuse to not be able to handle.