Please Revive Wolves Den

[DividedSky]

I do not agree at all. I think if the restrictions were removed and ques actually popped it would revive with little effort. Pvpers at this point don't care at all that FL is "superior". Were already rank 45 we just like pvping win or lose. If restrictions were removed people would que for it. Bottom line.

[DividedSky]

Also ALLOW chatting in game so If you stalemate you can laugh and shoot the sh't with the other team. Yeah ppl will flame but its PvP people will also chat and laugh and have fun... chatting needs to be part of it. This care bear sh't need to stop.

[SongJoohee]

I miss 4v4s so much, even if the queue times were frustrating at times (all those 7/8, god damn) it was way more fun than Frontlines is. So so disappointed that they've put absolutely 0 effort into giving people a reason to try Wolves Den rather than spamming Frontlines.

[Gor]

Anything to get wolves den up and running again. Remove melee/ranged requirement as well. 2 melee is fine, 2 ranged is fine

no, it's not fine. you do not want 2 ranged. the moment people start running premade 2 SMNs+SCH+TANK train comps, people will quit WD and be right back in these forums complaining to put the restrictions back. i know because i was doing WD before the restrictions came into place. that comp merks everything and the match wouldn't even last that long.

[DividedSky]

no, it's not fine. you do not want 2 ranged. the moment people start running premade 2 SMNs+SCH+TANK train comps, people will quit WD and be right back in these forums complaining to put the restrictions back. i know because i was doing WD before the restrictions came into place. that comp merks everything and the match wouldn't even last that long.

You don't seem to understand. NO ONE DOES WOLVES DEN AT ALL RIGHT NOW. Smart people will adjust their teams if they want to win. Forcing people to be X job and having to match in rank is stupid in a free for all arena. Its not even ranked. No one ques for it..... they need to remove the restrictions. I'd rather fight a premade and lose than never be able to que... ever.

And to your... "you do not want 2 ranged" ... imagine a party ... whm pld blm blm..... vs. whm pld nin nin..... both ninjas each get on a blm... blms can't dps at all... the ninja party wins b/c ranged can't do anything b/c they got wrcked by the ninjas. This is pvp... no matter what you say is a problem there is always a solution player creativity is going to trump any type of restriction that a game creator tries to administer. The current restrictions are DETRIMENTAL to wolves den and NEED TO BE REMOVED. There are always arguments as to how/who might win in what setup but there are always acceptions. again.. i'd rather things be not so even with the ques actually popping than things be "even" and "fair" like they have it now and no one does it because it makes ques so god awful for a <5 min fight.

or how about nin nin nin nin party all invis when they go in... they pop and just WRECK the healers.... then kill dps afterwards.... thats totally legit as well and an easy win w/o any healers.... there are just so many possibilities if you remove the stupid RESTRICTIONS... it would be SO MUCH MORE FUN.

[kpxmanifesto]

Apparently there are plans to improve Wolve's Den. It just won't happen till after Heavensward is released.

Q&A at 0:49:50
Q: Can you tell us about any plans in the future for additions or expansions to the Wolves' Den?
A: A lot of players are getting involved with Frontline, and even players who previously were not interested in PvP are participating in greater numbers. The current concept of the Wolves' Den is a place for people who want to improve themselves and become even stronger in PvP. We'll be making adjustments to Frontline including the addition of new maps and rules, and we'd like to see more players motivated to get better at PvP. However, if we make adjustments to both Frontline and Wolves' Den at the same time, it would

[kpxmanifesto]

Q&A continued:

become a bit too fragmented and we're concerned that matching might become difficult. For this reason, we'd like to focus on Frontline first and once the number of these motivated players increases further we'd then like to add rewards, rankings, and a season system to the Wolves' Den. We'd like to proceed carefully so that those players who are really interested in PvP because of Frontline aren't discouraged because they try the Wolves' Den and get defeated immediately.

Source: http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...809-11-2014%29

[DividedSky]

This needs to be bumped. I think this deserves a dev reply so we know what SE's plans are. It would be really nice to see a hot fix removing rank matching at least.

Q&A continued:

become a bit too fragmented and we're concerned that matching might become difficult. For this reason, we'd like to focus on Frontline first and once the number of these motivated players increases further we'd then like to add rewards, rankings, and a season system to the Wolves' Den. We'd like to proceed carefully so that those players who are really interested in PvP because of Frontline aren't discouraged because they try the Wolves' Den and get defeated immediately.

Source: http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...809-11-2014%29

This is fantastic but it would be nice to know when. I'm reading Yoshi's response but it doesn't make sense to me. They have already made the appropriate adjustments (moral is fixed, and new players have all pvp skills from the get-go, except for the upgrade which would not make things all that uneven regardless of rank) so that new players would not suffer as badly as they use to. Their response sounds like more of a... "just look forward to it... (but wait 6 more months)"... kind of response. The solution is simple. Remove rank matching, revert back to 1 tank 1 heal 2 dps (any dps). This would fix the problem. I think they just haven't even looked at it.. at all... we should not have to wait 6 months for this simple fix.

[kpxmanifesto]

Their response sounds like more of a... "just look forward to it... (but wait 6 more months)"... kind of response.

That's exactly what it appears to be. Their priorities seemingly lie elsewhere at the moment. The game is still fairly new however. If you take a look at other games like world of warcraft, their arena system wasn't even released until the first expansion. But they did have several battlegrounds and dueling to compensate. Something we don't have.

[DividedSky]

I wonder when they plan on making adjustments. Do you think well have to wait until 3.0 because that makes me pretty mad. This should have been fixed 2 patches ago. Its not even a difficult change.