So how is EX Titan now?

[Volgera]

People forget that SE added lag as a Titan EX Mechanic lol.

Its like a RNG debuff for the fight.

[aisustrong]

People forget that SE added lag as a Titan EX Mechanic lol.

Its like a RNG debuff for the fight.

lagslide, baby

[MrCookTM]

It's funny how people still pretend reaction is an important thing for Titan ex. The fight is 100% scripted, the rotation and timing for every move Titan does is always the same. The only random thing is who gets gaoled, and seriosly, that doesn't really matter.

The one thing that Titan ex requires that no other fight before him does is: execution! One thing alot of players just don't have. Since everything is 100% predictable you don't need the best ping or latency at all.

I give you an example: I live in the EU and play on the EU datacenter (chaos). I'm on PS4, so I don't have access to wtfast and naturally cannot just tone down my graphics to improve my fps on console, so I have to deal with a good amount of latency issues in that fight by default. What's my point now? My point is that I'm selling clear runs on my server. These are all one shots with only 3 dps and barely anyone ever getting hit, like it should be. Now this isn't with a group of players that always plays together, it's basically 2 or 3 big linkshells for selling runs and whenever some guy want's to buy a run, someone just asks in the LS who wants to participate and get free money, first come first serve. ^^ New composition every time. The point is that all these people mastered the fight and are able to 'execute' it perfectly even while almost sleeping. Titan ex is all about memorizing the pattern and executing it properly. That's it.

tl;dr: step it up and learn the fight, and ffs STOP BLAMING THE LAG! There are TONS of guys with terribad pc's and even ps3 players with overseas server connection that one shot Titan ex all day for pony farm. Stop excusing, learn your shit!

[LineageRazor]

tl;dr: step it up and learn the fight, and ffs STOP BLAMING THE LAG! There are TONS of guys with terribad pc's and even ps3 players with overseas server connection that one shot Titan ex all day for pony farm. Stop excusing, learn your shit!

It is ridiculous to say that the predictability of the fight should make you immune to death by lag. Lag means that your machine is slow in communicating with the server. To prevent abuse, if there's ever an argument between where the server thinks you are and where your machine says you are, the server trumps.

You could have the timing and skills to beat Titan blindfolded and with one hand tied behind your back, but if lag hits just before Titan uses Landslide, and you're the target, it won't matter one bit whether you move to safety or not. The server thinks you took the hit, so off the edge you go!

Lag is an actual problem, not just an excuse used by scrubs. Lag is unpredictable; it comes and goes, sometimes a given person's connection can be good, and at other times bad. It's not a constant slowdown, it's patches of poor responsiveness. There is no way to guess ahead of time when you're going to hit a lag spike and move to a safe spot to compensate.

My connection is, in general, good, but there have been times when I've been laggy. In the worst cases, I've had moments when all action on the screen stops for fifteen seconds or more. During that time, the server thinks my character is standing stock still for fifteen seconds. If that were to happen on Titan Ex, that's pretty much a guaranteed ticket off the edge, and it doesn't matter HOW much I have the fight down pat.

[MrCookTM]

It is ridiculous to say that the predictability of the fight should make you immune to death by lag. Lag means that your machine is slow in communicating with the server. To prevent abuse, if there's ever an argument between where the server thinks you are and where your machine says you are, the server trumps.

You could have the timing and skills to beat Titan blindfolded and with one hand tied behind your back, but if lag hits just before Titan uses Landslide, and you're the target, it won't matter one bit whether you move to safety or not. The server thinks you took the hit, so off the edge you go!

Lag is an actual problem, not just an excuse used by scrubs. Lag is unpredictable; it comes and goes, sometimes a given person's connection can be good, and at other times bad. It's not a constant slowdown, it's patches of poor responsiveness. There is no way to guess ahead of time when you're going to hit a lag spike and move to a safe spot to compensate.

My connection is, in general, good, but there have been times when I've been laggy. In the worst cases, I've had moments when all action on the screen stops for fifteen seconds or more. During that time, the server thinks my character is standing stock still for fifteen seconds. If that were to happen on Titan Ex, that's pretty much a guaranteed ticket off the edge, and it doesn't matter HOW much I have the fight down pat.

I didn't say it makes you immune, but it makes you able to deal with it alot better. But do you seriously want to tell me the lag in Titan ex is bad enough to make people unable to beat the fight altogether? Hell no! ^^ Of course there are certain instances where big lag spikes are so bad, they make your character register your button press seconds later and of course that can wipe you in Titan ex, but that can happen in alot of other fights too.

The point is not that people are saying that Titan ex is laggy, i even admitted that myself. The point is that people are pretending it makes them unable to beat the fight at all, which is hands down just straight up ridiculous! People use this to make themselves feel better with their unability to beat the fight, and the fact how many other ppl are jumping on that train makes it even easier.

[LineageRazor]

The point is not that people are saying that Titan ex is laggy, i even admitted that myself. The point is that people are pretending it makes them unable to beat the fight at all, which is hands down just straight up ridiculous! People use this to make themselves feel better with their unability to beat the fight, and the fact how many other ppl are jumping on that train makes it even easier.

Depending on how bad the connection is, some players can reliably expect at least one significant lag spike every time they challenge Titan, perhaps several. The difference between Titan and other fights is, if you DO get a significant lag spike, a lot of the time you're not just dead, you're out of the fight entirely. Leviathan and lolDemonWall are the only other comparable fights in the game in this regard, and Titan is much, much worse than either of those in his unforgivingly tight movement requirements.

For players playing under these restrictions, Titan IS unwinnable - unless you count being carried by the other seven players, and in that case I don't really consider them to have "beaten" the fight at all, and they likely do not either.

As I mentioned, my connection is not the best, but it is also not the worst. I have experienced evenings when I knew there'd simply be no point in fighting Titan because the lag would make me a liability rather than an asset - and I've beaten Titan several times. I know the difference between when the lag makes the fight unplayable, and when the fight will be smooth. For some players, though, the lag I consider bad is what they have to deal with all the time. For them, whether or not they can beat Titan has nothing to do with their skill, and everything to do with lag miraculously never setting in when it's going to cost them badly. They keep trying, waiting for the day when the stars will align and they get the perfect pattern of lag that lets them get through the entire fight - and also that the seven others they play with can hold up their end, when many of THOSE players may also be waiting for their own stars to align.

There ARE bad players, don't get me wrong, and some of them undoubtedly blame lag for their shortcomings. But don't make the mistake of assuming that everyone who blames lag is actually a bad player.

Even worse, the more time passes, the more obsolete content like Titan becomes. The majority of players attempting him are not skilled veterans, but players trying to beat him in order to access other content. This means that more and more often when you join a Titan fight it will be mostly composed of newbies, bad players, and folks suffering from chronic lag. SE tried to encourage skilled veterans back to repeat the content by adding the rare mounts, but skilled vets understandibly prefer to team up with other skilled vets in Party Finder groups, rather than struggle through the content with these players.

It's a troublesome problem. While I don't know what the answer is, I'm reasonably sure that telling folks with lag to "git gud" isn't very helpful.

[BreathlessTao]

They keep trying, waiting for the day when the stars will align and they get the perfect pattern of lag that lets them get through the entire fight - and also that the seven others they play with can hold up their end, when many of THOSE players may also be waiting for their own stars to align.

^ That. It's like the manifold RNG gating of so many crafter items / glamour pieces. Getting just one thing probably won't turn all your hair grey, getting all of them together will probably have you scratch the paint off the walls until your nails bleed. And with those it is only RNG, in a fight like this, you have the RNG and the additional potential new and/or bad players as well.

And yeah, I'm not sure people in general actually memorise all those rotations and know them by heart. Especially if they don't want to farm the content in question.

[ruskie]

Hmmm PF then DF then PF and clear... think overall 4 sessions in total. Titan is kinda sleep through unless you have lag though.

Titan ex is all about memorizing the pattern and executing it properly. That's it.

Either that or reacting apropriately when the time comes. The most important thing though is do it and learn something each time you fail.

[Werhusky]

Titan is kinda sleep through unless you have lag though.

I remember my 2nd clear in total firsttime tanking... i was soooo beyond my sleeptime eyes were already half shut and even if we talked at start about it that other tank would take adds I ended up tanking them. I had an idea where to take em as i healed it before but oh well I was surprised by my sleepy self to do the job ^^

[Yumi_umi]

The only difficult mechanic i had trouble with in titan ex was when everything stopped moving for a good 10 secs, then bam everyone is sonic the hedgehog.
I find myself slingshotted off the arena or dead cuz of the plume nuke i saw on my screen.
Pretty sneaky if you ask me lol
Someday i'll learn that mechanic.