MT etiquitte?

[Donjo]

At this point a question regarding provoke:

how does it work in detail - as i researched it just give a massiv temporarely burst in single targethate that decays even before the CD is up again, wich means for me, it is great for taking over the aggro or to get a comfortable start right at the pull, but its useless to maintain permanent aggro. But despite the "taunts" in other mmo there is no "forces the enemy to attack you for a certain amount of time"-effect on it?

Am i right, or did i missed something important?

Provoke immediately puts your aggro on the monster to exactly <highest person on aggro list> + 1. For example, let's pretend these are our aggro numbers:

Tank: 1500
DPS: 3000
Healer: 1300

If the Tank uses Provoke, their aggro becomes the DPS's + 1, so the list becomes this.

Tank: 3001
DPS: 3000
Healer: 1300

This is why you always have to follow up Provoke with another attack or you'll just lose it again.

PS: If the fight has not started(ie. everyone is at 0 aggro), Provoke generates exactly 1 point. It's not the best thing to start a fight with.

[CycLee]

ok, so its completly different from what i found in the depth's of the internet and it somehow does not fit its skilldescription ingame.

Thank you for your explaination.

[aisustrong]

When a 7 ft Roe walks into the room decked in Armor you already know who is the Main Tank ;-)

yes, it's clearly the loli in the glacial coat

[KikoriL]

I enter any 8-man content with Shield Oath already up. If another tank goes from having their enmity buff from off to on after the duty starts, they seem to want to tank. They can have it. I'll just engage Sword Oath from there.
I'm also a lazy cat. I only check the other tank's weapon to see if theirs beats mine. If it does, I give them a few seconds to take the lead. If not, I charge. Replace my lazy "weapon" with a full on gear check and it's probably a safer habit.
Everything else has been discussed pretty well.

[Bamboofox]

yes, it's clearly the loli in the glacial coat

The catgirl with a bikini and a giant axe.

[Ashkendor]

-If another Tank attempts to provoke a boss off of me, forgive the first time. It is possible that they couldn't tell that the boss was stuck to a Tank. If the Provoke didn't steal the boss from you and it happens again, it is a sign of significant and petty desperation to be MT. If there are no adds or off-tank duties to worry about, it doesn't matter what happens from here. If I'm in no danger of losing threat, I just keep it. Otherwise, leave it alone if the other Tank manages to steal it for more than five seconds or so. If there are off-tank duties, then I'm fighting with a Tank who clearly won't perform them, so I should back off and go do them.

So much this. If someone else tries to steal hate and manages to do it, I shrug and go pick up adds. Continuing to fight for hate makes me as much a part of the problem as the tank that's so desperate to have hate on the boss.

-If I fear for a Tank's survival, I sometimes use a harmless Provoke(Provoke and then don't attack for a few seconds) to ensure that another tank is number 2 on threat in case of a Tank death.

If a tank is low on HP and their healers are down, I will provoke it off of them and keep it. If they're just low in general, I'll use things like Cover/Stoneskin to assist and throw that Provoke out there without a followup just to make sure I'm second in hate.

[Ceodore]

9 times out of 10, it seems to be the person who holds enmity from the others tanks despite their best efforts to take it back. After that, most tanks will just concede to the other. Normally, when I enter a 24 man or 8 man, I take a look at the tank's gear, compare it to my own, and decide if it would be in the party's better interest to let this tank be MT for this dungeon/fight or not. I carry around dps trinkets as well to make sure the decision sticks properly. Normally, if a tank has better left side gear, I'd rather they MT, but as I focus my efforts on my tank, this is rarely the situation. If by chance the mood to OT strikes me, dps trinkets and no enmity toggle is just fine for dishing out more DPS.

[MidlaneGod]

I pull first on wod, gotta establish who is the alpha and its also the easiest job.

[SpookyGhost]

gotta establish who is the alpha and its also the easiest job.

Bit of an oxymoron.

[Blueskyy]

As a Warrior i noticed PLD players like to be MT ignoring the fact that whether i have more hp or not. I normally just let them MT unless I'm playing with my FC group, which the PLD would let me MT some because we both know that there're no different in our tanking skill, he is a good PLD player, I'm a good WAR player. Whoever MT, as long as they can do their job well. It doesn't matter, there're people who say oh war can't mt this or that but it's just because they never seen one good enough to do it