Job and Subjob system instead of classes?

[Gennosuke]

I mean in general I agree with what you are saying. Although, as far as what you say about solo/casual player, I disagree. I am prety casual in my play often, but that has nothing to do with not grouping, and soloers get no pity from me. If you want a MMO which by definition is massive multiplayer online to be solo, well that just illogically contradictory.

I am with encouraging party play even for casuals, i think it's a great thing and what made XI fun. However you are missing the point that SE designed FFXIV not just for party and hardcore play, but solo-friendly as well. So even if you're a casual who aims for grouping, you can't assume all casuals wouldn't want to solo-play. You can't rule out the rest of the players who purchased this game based on the solo play aspect. I know good amount of players who play solo most of the time. So your lack of sympathy isn't well placed and also it is not contradictory when it is an intention by design. This logic would have worked with XI, but not so much with FFXIV.
The other point that you may have missed is that Yoshi specifically stated that jobs were desgined for party play. The alternative would obviously be solo play.

But putting that aside, even if we brush the solo players off, actually in that case you're further adding to my point of redundancy of having classes and jobs. Why? when jobs were designed for party play? It's just adding an extra layer of redundancy and complication. To me as stated in the other thread, it feels like they're just holding onto a relic from the past team's work for no good reason.

More sensible to just switch over.
Not to mention other concerns like weapon to class to job relationships. It's all too confusing and complicated for no good reason..other than to perhaps trying to be new, except in a non-sensible, complicated and inefficient way.
I just really don't see the class system holding real value with new jobs coming in.