Job and Subjob system instead of classes?

[Leeloo]

The way I understood it was that the new jobs are simply more focused play styles of the original classes. Monk being a specialty that you can earn as a pugilist rather than being a completely new job to level from 1-50(for example). That's how it came off to me in the battle reform blueprint anyway:

Rather than being advanced versions of classes, we would like players to think of jobs as specialized playing styles optimized for partying. While playing as a particular job will render you unable to equip certain actions of other classes, you will be compensated with access to exclusive actions, which can be acquired through quests.

In practice, players will find the existing classes effective when playing solo or in certain party setups. Jobs, however, will shine in party situations where specific skill sets are demanded.

If that's the case then that takes care of some of your concerns up there. It doesn't seem as complicated & redundant when I look at it that way.

[Gennosuke]

The way I understood it was that the new jobs are simply more focused play styles of the original classes. Monk being a specialty that you can earn as a pugilist rather than being a completely new job to level from 1-50(for example). That's how it came off to me in the battle reform blueprint anyway:

If that's the case then that takes care of some of your concerns up there. It doesn't seem as complicated & redundant when I look at it that way.

Thanks for your input, i agree this scenario does make the most sense out of them and it does address the concern of leveling up for example which would have definitely been a pain.
Yet again, my question as posted before, why not make the current classes these jobs instead of having 2 different modes? Surely, it can all be combined into one mode. Classes can be renamed to Jobs, and job names and can be replaced with the traditional job titles.

The only nice explanation is that SE is trying to be creative by adding this extra layer. I just cant help but feel it will introduce more harm than good in the long run. Time will tell.

[AmyRae]

Yet again, my question as posted before, why not make the current classes these jobs instead of having 2 different modes?

The problem is it would be outrageous (to some if not most) to have all their year-long efforts placed in the current "build-your-own-class" system wiped out forever and replaced with a rigid, role-specific class/job system (that most people want) in its place. If the game were being redeveloped without being online, and a total wipe was possible, maybe it wouldn't need this convoluted two-tiered approach. Alas, this is the hand we are dealt with.

And so, we continue with an armory class system that will take a back seat to (and co-exist with) a new well-defined-role job system. The neat trick will be in making the two somehow work together so they don't seem completely at odds with each other, but I'm not sure how that will be accomplished.

[Gennosuke]

The problem is it would be outrageous (to some if not most) to have all their year-long efforts placed in the current "build-your-own-class" system wiped out forever and replaced with a rigid, role-specific class/job system (that most people want) in its place. If the game were being redeveloped without being online, and a total wipe was possible, maybe it wouldn't need this convoluted two-tiered approach. Alas, this is the hand we are dealt with.

And so, we continue with an armory class system that will take a back seat to (and co-exist with) a new well-defined-role job system. The neat trick will be in making the two somehow work together so they don't seem completely at odds with each other, but I'm not sure how that will be accomplished.

Yes, i agree with what you say. This is my feeling regarding their approach too.
I suppose it's a big impact on current playerbase to just replace the job system with what in reality i feel is a fail legacy Armoury system, and they may well be playing the card of flexibility to give it justification. I wouldn't be surprised if they abolish the Class system completely in the future and this turns out to be a transition state. I think this would please the majority who aren't playing the game now but dissappoint many of current players.
In the end, reality is whatever brings the best in the game and attracts most players outside of current playerbase will come to pass. We're more guinea pigs in beta phase now. I personally would hope for this outcome, i think it's in the best interest of the game, it worked better and i think they realize that well now.

All speculation though, we'll see.

[BONKERS]

Solution: Go play FFXI. K Thx bi.

[Khal_Drogo]

Solution: Go play FFXI. K Thx bi.

Why go play XI? They just released XI-2 this past September, or didn't you notice? Maybe the game title is throwing you off?

The way I understood it was that the new jobs are simply more focused play styles of the original classes. Monk being a specialty that you can earn as a pugilist rather than being a completely new job to level from 1-50(for example). That's how it came off to me in the battle reform blueprint anyway:



If that's the case then that takes care of some of your concerns up there. It doesn't seem as complicated & redundant when I look at it that way.

I wouldn't be very upset about that either probably. But, if they were going to do that, then lvl 50+ jobs should be restricted to the original design of XI: Job w/ sub *job. One job, one role, with 2 sets of traits/abilities at their disposal. A "SAM" with Cure IV, Chi Blast, Fire IV, Trunk Splitter, and so on, is the stupidest idea I've ever heard of -even if the spells/abs don't work well on the "wrong" job. Players shouldn't be allowed to equip the abilities/traits of each and every job/class they have leveled -it's retarded. And, regardless of what changes are made, this endless stream of tp, cure, enfeeb, and buff spam needs to stop. Slow the damn battle down...let us enjoy our kills.

[Zenaku]

Why go play XI? They just released XI-2 this past September, or didn't you notice? Maybe the game title is throwing you off?




I wouldn't be very upset about that either probably. But, if they were going to do that, then lvl 50+ jobs should be restricted to the original design of XI: Job w/ sub *job. One job, one role, with 2 sets of traits/abilities at their disposal. A "SAM" with Cure IV, Chi Blast, Fire IV, Trunk Splitter, and so on, is the stupidest idea I've ever heard of -even if the spells/abs don't work well on the "wrong" job. Players shouldn't be allowed to equip the abilities/traits of each and every job/class they have leveled -it's retarded. And, regardless of what changes are made, this endless stream of tp, cure, enfeeb, and buff spam needs to stop. Slow the damn battle down...let us enjoy our kills.

Same race so ffxi players could get use to FFXIV same layout of city once again for ffxi players to get use to it. Here where FFXIV stop being FFXI 2.0 class system and the overall way of playing is casual vs ffxi back before the dumbass 85+cap.

I hope ffxiv don't stay 100% casual forever.

[Yazoo]

Why go play XI? They just released XI-2 this past September, or didn't you notice? Maybe the game title is throwing you off?

Cose FFXIV is NOT FFXI-2. They want money from FFXI and from FFXIV.
So this games want be the same. If you want Job/Subjob like in FFXI go play FFXI.

[Jennestia]

Cose FFXIV is NOT FFXI-2. They want money from FFXI and from FFXIV.
So this games want be the same. If you want Job/Subjob like in FFXI go play FFXI.

Have you missed where even the loyalist of FFXIV players said they'd quit if they charged for this game? They want money from XIV and XI is making money even 10ish years later, so something is still going right with XI -- It also has a fairly large population for being this old. XIV is about a year old without it's first expansion and undergoing an overhaul, People who want to play FFXI will play it, however there's no excuse to throw away even the basics of your PREVIOUS MMORPG instead of just making it better...even with "class customization" it's still lesser than what XI has to offer class wise -- This is the problem and why people are offering ideas about how XI did it because after making and maintaining a successful MMORPG for 10 years (including one based on the Front Mission series) XIV should not have been in the shape it was in.