Thread: Raiding Progression Thread (2.4 and onwards)

Excuse my ignorance, but it is really needed to stop tracking T13 while savage is?, even with echo, I think its an achivement for some, and if, I think, the objective of this thread it's to show the groups that are raiding and might want to expand, or just to show themselves, and as Hood Rat said, maybe i130 gear might not help that much, but you can't deny that having better gear improves dps and avoids stuff like vit stats and gear, only I can think of right now. Also, considering that there are people that cleared savage T7 before but didn't posted or said anything in this thread just because it is not of interest.
My point is, if you made this thread to track groups who clear raids and primals in the server, I think you should keep doing it for all the fights, for the actual content that is, at least if the people really want to.

That should be fine, but also, I might suggest having more rules regarding which fights are going to be counted for progression, instead of because it's hard as that could be very subjective.

Regarding T7, as I said, some of us didn't really paid too much attention to this thread, so I don't think there will be anything regarding that as I just used it as an example for what I wanted to say.

Originally Posted by x-_-ILLUSION-_-x

...some upstart random group

First of all, I think you're taking that too seriously, just because you don't know the entire raiding scene of the server I don't think you can judge by saying, random group to people who know from long before... and if you haven't noticed, the raiding status in general of the server has increased considerably.
And even so, there are people clearing stuff without even being in the same FC, but most of them are friends from long before, who are dedicated to raiding, so I wouldn't consider them as a "upstart random group".

Originally Posted by Songi

There's no excuse for not posting a Savage kill regardless of how late into the content patch it is.

Just because Ido requires the constant attention of everyone around him doesn't mean everyone else does.

Originally Posted by x-_-ILLUSION-_-x

Not to insult Bryn or it's inhabitants, but the chances of some upstart random group on the server puling it together enough to kill 7 Savage then saying, "meh, no big deal", is so small that it might as well be impossible.

"Just cleared savage T7, nbd," is what I'd go with. Would most likely just be in /p too, can't speak for everyone else though.

I find it far-fetched to believe that a group with the drive to down T7 Savage would not be aware of the progression thread and post in it, or at the very least, make it well known on the server that they've cleared it. Savage provides no rewards aside from a title. The only reason to do it is for the challenge of beating one of the toughest fights in the game. When someone goes through the type of effort required to down a Savage turn, they probably want some kind of recognition of it. It's not necessarily wanting attention, but just recognition of the hard work and talent put into achieving that goal.

Think of like, that tightrope walker dude who does it over stupid things like the Grand Canyon or the Chicago River. Do you really think he'd do any of that if there weren't TV screens everywhere? No. He's not going to do something that difficult if no one is going to recognize that. That doesn't make him an attention whore, it makes him human. People generally want recognition for their accomplishments. So the type of person to put the effort into downing any of Savage is the type of person who understands what that accomplishment is, has a relatively good idea of progression on the server, and would most likely have posted about it or made it well known throughout the server.

I don't believe that's a very good metaphor. As you said, he didn't seek recognition but he was sought after. Equating that to this would be someone seeking out those who cleared savage and putting them in this thread instead of the people who actually cleared doing it.

I'm not trying to say savage is easy or take away anyone's accomplishment, I just don't believe that recognition should be given for clearing something after surpassing the specs it was designed for, even if it is the first clear on the server; especially with the notion of "fcob has 10% echo it's irrelevant now." If anyone here truly seeks recognition for clearing savage, they should have boarded that train before it left the station.

It's obvious people here are becoming extremely defensive about it, especially with statements that savage cannot be "cheesed" with 130 gear when that was nowhere near what I said. I doubt I will be unable to persuade all of you, whether it's because I don't make a convincing argument or you are just simply incapable of understanding. I will take my leave now. I am disappointed that a few people decided to turn a simple question into a game of childish banter.

Originally Posted by HoodRat

I don't believe that's a very good metaphor. As you said, he didn't seek recognition but he was sought after. Equating that to this would be someone seeking out those who cleared savage and putting them in this thread instead of the people who actually cleared doing it.

That is not what I said. He DID seek recognition. He would most likely not do such insane stunts were he not to get recognition for them.

But if I were to use your logic, that would mean we shouldn't recognize any clears for any of FCOB that wasn't done in i110. That's what it was designed for after all. Anything more is "surpassing the specs it was designed for." Personally, I think we should track all organized clears (I would even argue for the possibility of opening it up to recognizing individual groups that may be part of the same FC for their accomplishments as opposed to just tracking FC progression, but that's a separate argument). I think our (admittedly sparse) raiding scene should be celebrated, not held back by some saying, "you were too late." So I have to strongly disagree with your sentiment. A server first, or really any clear of difficult content, especially when that content is still the most difficult content in the game, regardless of gear, should be celebrated by our server, not dismissed due to it's timing.