In-Game Parser.

[Moqi]

How is a glorified calculator to blame for people's natural elitist attitudes towards other players?

I am not blaming it so I have no idea what you're going on about. Nor you understood the rest of my post.

[Lycelle]

I am not blaming it so I have no idea what you're going on about. Nor you understood the rest of my post.

Please elaborate so that I may give you a proper argument. I may have misunderstood your post in it's entirety, for that I apologize.

[Moqi]

Please elaborate so that I may give you a proper argument. I may have misunderstood your post in it's entirety, for that I apologize.

What it boils down to is: this community has a tendency to take "neutral" things/attitudes that most raiders adapt positively and twisting them until they become a tool to discriminate players on ALL content. As it is right now, people who are looking to self improve can use parsers on their own or amongst friends. If parsers were endorsed, nothing would change for them but it would not only give toxic players another ammo, it would also have an affect on the general PF scene and people's behaviour, because bad attitudes are more easily picked up than good ones.

Is a little convenience on your positive use of parsers worth sacrificing if it prevents a lot of players from being harassed? I think so. I really don't see any gain an in game parser would bring that third party tools don't already, but there is a precedent of niche/alternative gaming aspects that have brought a slew of negative ripercussions after they became mainstream. It sounds very hipstery to say but from what I've seen it's true. Parsers are all well and good only if they stay among raiders (or anyone who is interested in bettering himself) and separate from the game.

[Faelandaea]

As it is right now, people who are looking to self improve can use parsers on their own or amongst friends. If parsers were endorsed, nothing would change for them but it would not only give toxic players another ammo, it would also have an affect on the general PF scene and people's behaviour, because bad attitudes are more easily picked up than good ones.

Exactly. Parsers shouldn't be endorsed or have an official standing with SE. I think where things stand now are perfect. We already have parsers we can use and we're happy with that - at least those of us that aren't elitist are. I really do think that the argument that parsers be endorsed as an in-game element does nothing but support an elitist group of savage attitudes, and would give too much power to harassment and undue discrimination/trolling.

[Dwill]

Exactly. Parsers shouldn't be endorsed or have an official standing with SE. I think where things stand now are perfect. We already have parsers we can use and we're happy with that - at least those of us that aren't elitist are. I really do think that the argument that parsers be endorsed as an in-game element does nothing but support an elitist group of savage attitudes, and would give too much power to harassment and undue discrimination/trolling.

Do you even know what the word elitist means ? Wanting a parser to better oneself has nothing to do with elitism. If there's anything that's bad, it's the fear mongering and the shear amount of ignorance people without the knowledge of parsers are spreading.

[Faelandaea]

Do you even know what the word elitist means ? Wanting a parser to better oneself has nothing to do with elitism. If there's anything that's bad, it's the fear mongering and the shear amount of ignorance people without the knowledge of parsers are spreading.

I do know what it means. And since you ask, I'll answer:

• a person having, thought to have, or professing superior intellect or talent, power, wealth, or membership in the upper echelons of society:
• a person who believes in the superiority of an elitist class

Now, with that answered and out of the way, let's be clear . . . We already have the tools - we're already using them - and we can do so without trying to pressure SE to officially endorse something into the game that can and will be misused by a bunch of trolls. We're making a bigger deal out of this parser subject than it already is. In fact it's no big deal at all. We already have awesome parsers out there that do the job quite well - I personally use Advanced Combat Tracker and it works beautifully.

I understand the OP asking a small question about getting a parser in-game . . . and the devs have already made their intentions not to VERY well known . . . and instead of just going "okay" and continuing to use the tools we already have, this thread is blowing the issue into some crazed controversy that makes it sound almost game breaking. It's not. We already HAVE the tools. If people can't be bothered to take 12 seconds to download and double click an icon to parse then those people are absolutely NOT serious about parsing - and are thus really just trolling SE for the sake of trolling.

[Slappah]

You keep saying it's so easy to go get a parser.

Yeah. For PC players.

What about me? I'm on ps4. What about the tons of other ps4 players, and ps3 players?

"Just get someone on PC"
Not that easy. I'm on Jenova. Ps4 players are the majority here, not the minority.

I promise you ps4 could handle a parser so that isn't the issue. Ps3 could too believe it or not, I bet.
So why can't we have a parser?

[Massterchef]

I understand the OP asking a small question about getting a parser in-game . . . and the devs have already made their intentions not to VERY well known . . . and instead of just going "okay" and continuing to use the tools we already have, this thread is blowing the issue into some crazed controversy that makes it sound almost game breaking. It's not. We already HAVE the tools. If people can't be bothered to take 12 seconds to download and double click an icon to parse then those people are absolutely NOT serious about parsing - and are thus really just trolling SE for the sake of trolling.

As has been stated more than a hundred times in these types of threads; Console players can't download ACT or XIVAPP.

[Nominous]

Please elaborate so that I may give you a proper argument. I may have misunderstood your post in it's entirety, for that I apologize.

You understood his post perfectly fine. It's just the same thing I've been saying over and over here. It's just people being content with blaming the parser for the user's personality, and the common misconception that providing one in-game (whether it's a personal dummy parser, or a party based one) will somehow change everyone into elitist psychopaths.

The rest of his post is valid, but it's not based on anything but fears and opinions. The facts have already been stated, but a lot of people feel like disputing those, clinging to personal belief, and somewhat illogical fears instead.

People are afraid of something that could already be happening, but hasn't been for over a year. They're afraid of people being jerks, when everyone can be jerks. They're afraid that their fun will be called into question, when DF and PF is already by and large, that way when it comes to difficult content. It's just a long list of stuff like that.

[Moqi]

The rest of his post is valid, but it's not based on anything but fears and opinions. The facts have already been stated, but a lot of people feel like disputing those, clinging to personal belief, and somewhat illogical fears instead.

There are no facts because parsers aren't allowed, we can't know for sure what will happen when they do. We're all speculating, please don't act like your opinions is more valid than mine. My fears are just as grounded as your hopes.

BTW, I am not afraid of anything because I run raids and ex primals with my static or friends, so I would hardly be affected. But I do see people saying how many people are being rude to them in DF or PF and this would hardly make things better. And this isn't even taking into consideration the amount of people who don't even know how parsers work, or what a class' common DPS is supposed to be and will just copy/paste anything they find in PF without a clue on what it even means (I've seen that too).

And then you report them and move on.

We all know it's not that easy. It takes ages to take action.