In-Game Parser.

[Lycelle]

Nothing, I don't need programs to make myself better or my team in order to win a fight.

I just don't understand what you need parser for other than attacking others because they slow you down.

You re confusing the two definitions here. A parser is just a tool. You cannot blame the tool for someone's behavior. You don't need a parser to be an asshole.

They'd have to admit to using one, which is not allowed. At most you can say "no bad players", which is still rude, but not as discriminatory, since it's highly subjective.

My static uses parsers, I know it can have benefits if used the right way. Personally, I've had my healing parsed once when I joined, got told it was roughly the same as the other healer and from then on I've tuned out of every discussion regarding numbers because I couldn't care less - I can still tell who the top DPS in my static is without having a clue of what number he's pulling. When I want to try new things to conserve MP/generate less aggro, I just talk to my co-healer and tank(s) first and if it's feesable we try it out and I watch if it's too straining on either of them, no need for numbers, I can notice if they're using more cooldowns than usual and that's all I need to know I'm not healing enough.

I think the flaw in your reasoning is that you expect parsing to stay limited to end game raids and between people who more or less use parsers already (in the "good" way), like it is now, when it won't likely be the case. Bad attitudes spread more easily than good ones. I'm sure we'll be seeing absurd dps requirements on all kinds of things (we already have PF with absurd min ilvl) and in the end, the toxic envoirment and attitudes it will create will outweight the good benefits it can have on the people who just want to self improve.

Look at speedrunning, solo healing or solo tanking - there's a pattern already of the community taking neutral concept and twisting them to shun players and discriminate. This would only make matters worse.

How is a glorified calculator to blame for people's natural elitist attitudes towards other players? It's not discrimination in the slightest. You can't blame players for the way the game was set up to be. To sit here and say that iLevel requirements, speedrunning, solo tanking is discrimination is like giving Yoshi-P's development team the middle finger for making PF. It's there to be used, you make the choice whether or not to use it. If you don't like the way someone make's their party, then by all means make one better. Solo Healing/Tanking is merely an ideal for players who feel comfortable enough in their own skin to take up the task of doing so. It gives players a challenge but also an easier way to get through content by offering up spots to extra DPS. So really it's people trying to help each other out instead of discrimination as you claim. You can't have your cake and eat it too.

[HeroSamson]

You re confusing the two definitions here. A parser is just a tool. You cannot blame the tool for someone's behavior. You don't need a parser to be an asshole.

That's what I hear all the time, some of you might not use it for bad, if its anyone I am talking about or the ones who should blame for people like me not liking it.

Is the ones who miss use the tool for wrong.

[Lycelle]

That's what I hear all the time, some of you might not use it for bad, if its anyone I am talking about or the ones who should blame for people like me not liking it.

Is the ones who miss use the tool for wrong.

When you say "ones" you are referring to people. Each person is different in terms of attitude and personality. You cannot blame a parser for that. Yes you will reflect negatively on the person for their bad attitude towards you, but that's all you can do besides report them and hope SE takes care of it. To try to blame a parser for someone's attitude towards you is like trying to be mad at the tools a plumber uses because he doesn't want to fix your leaky pipe.

[abzoluut]

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Oh, you've turned, good!!

Don't forget this people: a parser isn't only good for DPS. It also helps with many other things going on like (over)healing, mitigation, incoming dmg and loads of other stuff.

I think SE can't use the harass argument anymore. They also know people will ask for it more demandingly, so I wonder what their response on the matter would be like.

Looking forward to it.

[Lycelle]

Oh, you've turned, good!!

Don't forget people, a parser isn't only good for DPS. It also helps many other things going on like (over)healing, mitigation, incoming dmg and loads of other stuff. I think SE can't use the harass argument anymore. They also know people will ask for it more demandingly, so I wonder what their response on the matter be like.

Looking forward to it.

Good? Hell no. Have you seen my alignment in D&D?



But going on topic, I believe if we were to use an in-game parser I think it'd be a good step in the direction of raid content. Then like after every raid players could choose whether or not to submit their DPS scores to Yoshi-P's Dev team. They could then possibly use the data and analyze it to adjust fights based on a % of players passing and failing and give tweaks to fights on some mechanics instead of giving an overall blanket nerf. (I'm looking at you Turn 7.)

[Moqi]

How is a glorified calculator to blame for people's natural elitist attitudes towards other players?

I am not blaming it so I have no idea what you're going on about. Nor you understood the rest of my post.

[Lycelle]

I am not blaming it so I have no idea what you're going on about. Nor you understood the rest of my post.

Please elaborate so that I may give you a proper argument. I may have misunderstood your post in it's entirety, for that I apologize.

[Moqi]

Please elaborate so that I may give you a proper argument. I may have misunderstood your post in it's entirety, for that I apologize.

What it boils down to is: this community has a tendency to take "neutral" things/attitudes that most raiders adapt positively and twisting them until they become a tool to discriminate players on ALL content. As it is right now, people who are looking to self improve can use parsers on their own or amongst friends. If parsers were endorsed, nothing would change for them but it would not only give toxic players another ammo, it would also have an affect on the general PF scene and people's behaviour, because bad attitudes are more easily picked up than good ones.

Is a little convenience on your positive use of parsers worth sacrificing if it prevents a lot of players from being harassed? I think so. I really don't see any gain an in game parser would bring that third party tools don't already, but there is a precedent of niche/alternative gaming aspects that have brought a slew of negative ripercussions after they became mainstream. It sounds very hipstery to say but from what I've seen it's true. Parsers are all well and good only if they stay among raiders (or anyone who is interested in bettering himself) and separate from the game.

[Faelandaea]

As it is right now, people who are looking to self improve can use parsers on their own or amongst friends. If parsers were endorsed, nothing would change for them but it would not only give toxic players another ammo, it would also have an affect on the general PF scene and people's behaviour, because bad attitudes are more easily picked up than good ones.

Exactly. Parsers shouldn't be endorsed or have an official standing with SE. I think where things stand now are perfect. We already have parsers we can use and we're happy with that - at least those of us that aren't elitist are. I really do think that the argument that parsers be endorsed as an in-game element does nothing but support an elitist group of savage attitudes, and would give too much power to harassment and undue discrimination/trolling.

[Dwill]

Exactly. Parsers shouldn't be endorsed or have an official standing with SE. I think where things stand now are perfect. We already have parsers we can use and we're happy with that - at least those of us that aren't elitist are. I really do think that the argument that parsers be endorsed as an in-game element does nothing but support an elitist group of savage attitudes, and would give too much power to harassment and undue discrimination/trolling.

Do you even know what the word elitist means ? Wanting a parser to better oneself has nothing to do with elitism. If there's anything that's bad, it's the fear mongering and the shear amount of ignorance people without the knowledge of parsers are spreading.