In-Game Parser.

[Gardes]

So . . . Wait . . . If that's been confirmed then what's the point of this thread? Debate or not the question was if we'll have an in game solution for parsing. It seems there's the answer right there.

Addons have been promised before ARR launched. IIRC it was promised to be launched at 2.1 or something like that. Then it just keeps getting delayed and delayed until most people just forget and they stopped giving dates. Every single time they mention they're pretty much done and just tweaking and testing. Tweaking what, I wonder? I can't help but wonder that they're trying their hardest to neuter their add-on capability so that people cant make parsers out of it because yoship is that scared of parsers.

[HeroSamson]

Tell me what is a parser going to do for you?
You going to tell a person what to do, how to do their job and if they tell you no and stop telling them how to play and you begin to down play them and decide to kick.

Because that will happen and of course they'll report and GM for it and what then you'll get GM jailed and warned not to do it again.
But of course you will and try to be nicer about it, though you'll end up bumping into someone who doesn't like parsers and knows where this is heading and GM's you and you get temp banned for a while.

Doesn't seem worth it to me.

I know I wouldn't like to hear people breathing down my neck about my damage or how I play that gets on my nerves and really people should shut their mouth and play their own damn game.
You do not pay anyones bill to make that choice for them.

So like I said whats the parser going to do for you, you see your own damage but we all know you'll use it on others and of course your big mouth would get you in trouble in the end.

I know you'll say something like so we can lower dps to fit the right monster so we don't push it to special attack faster or stuff like that but I ran into a few people with parsers and boy did they try to blast people calling everyone noobs and threaten to kick people and even new players talking crap ran into a total of 30 people since ive been playing all elites.

its probably why he says no.

[Gardes]

Tell me what is a parser going to do for you?
You going to tell a person what to do, how to do their job and if they tell you no and stop telling them how to play and you begin to down play them and decide to kick.

I know I wouldn't like to hear people breathing down my neck about my damage or how I play that gets on my nerves and really people should shut their mouth and play their own damn game.
You do not pay anyones bill to make that choice for them.

So what would you do then? If the position is reversed? I come into your party as a class that you know very well and we're trying to beat a hard fight and you literally see me doing the stupidest thing I can do as that class (due to ignorance). We fail over and over and the reason is pretty much me not helping the team break through a phase fast enough. Through several attempts and watching how I play, you became convinced that I am THE reason the group is failing. What are you gonna do about it?

Going by what you (and other people) fear of what people can do with a parser, you are NOT allowed to point me out as the weakest link in the party and then kick me out of the party. You are NOT allowed to silently kick me out of the party either. Anything that smells like 'elitist' behavior is not allowed. Going by what you said you hate, you are NOT allowed to tell me how to play either. Not even in a politely advising manner. The way I play is the playstyle I learned by myself and enjoy the most.

Now, I would like to point out that silently disbanding the party or making up a false excuse to disband the party is also hypocritical to the spirit of the point you (and anti parser people in general) are trying to make. It also allows me (we're still talking about the example) to continue playing in ignorance and make more parties fail over and over. I will not stop because no one will stop me and make a real (insert class) out of me, because they are not allowed to.

By the way, we're still in the same trial. You still have to finish this trial with my incompetent self, you know? NOW CARRY ME!

Also, after we timed out, you have to make a new party finder for the same trial with the requirements and tell me why I'm not allowed in your party anymore. Same rules apply.

[Deculture]

Tell me what is a parser going to do for you?
You going to tell a person what to do, how to do their job and if they tell you no and stop telling them how to play and you begin to down play them and decide to kick.

Because that will happen and of course they'll report and GM for it and what then you'll get GM jailed and warned not to do it again.
But of course you will and try to be nicer about it, though you'll end up bumping into someone who doesn't like parsers and knows where this is heading and GM's you and you get temp banned for a while.

Doesn't seem worth it to me.

I know I wouldn't like to hear people breathing down my neck about my damage or how I play that gets on my nerves and really people should shut their mouth and play their own damn game.
You do not pay anyones bill to make that choice for them.

So like I said whats the parser going to do for you, you see your own damage but we all know you'll use it on others and of course your big mouth would get you in trouble in the end.

Ladies and Gentlemen, I present to you: exhibit A.

[Nel_Celestine]

How's a thread with around 10 thousand views, and over 200 replies, with majority of everyone here agreeing that parsers should be in game for convincing?

From observation in this topic alone, it's most likely because the other side is tired of hearing the counter argument of "if you don't want parsers you must be trying to hide your sucking" or some variation of that degree. Personally, I'm against anything other than a personal check dummy because regardless of what the pro-use community might think that "the abuse won't get worse" from it. It will.

[Deculture]

What people are asking for is equal access to parsers across all platforms, not just PC. Parsers are already here and always has been since the start of the game.

[RayneBoemir]

How about this they implement a parser in-game, but it only works to check your own characters not others; this would allow it to exist without SE thinking people would use it to harass other players.

[Clarkamite]

How about this they implement a parser in-game, but it only works to check your own characters not others; this would allow it to exist without SE thinking people would use it to harass other players.

I've suggested this very same thing in countless threads that are probably long and dead now. In fact, I know one of them has for sure been deleted. I'm probably not the first person to come up with that idea either. I have yet to hear a single credible reason as to why something like this (with the ability to turn it off if you so choose) should NOT be implemented. This very idea has never been argued against by the people against having a parser built in game. At least not that I've seen. They always skip over this.

[magdahmhara]

The worst thing about an accredited parser is the trickle down effect. It's not just raiders who will use them. They end up being reasons to kick people who are leveling, new people who are learning their class or anyone who doesn't meet the random dps number someone assigns to an instance. I've seen this happen in other mmos, chat spammed after each lowbie fight, not to help anyone but to stroke epeens and shame other players. As much as we'd like to believe that those kinds of players are few, the truth is, annonimity breeds elitist attitudes. I would have no problem if only high end raiders who have their own team would have parsers (which they do already) but it doesn't just stay high end. You can't stop the trickle down effect no matter how much you want to.

[Atomnium]

This very idea has never been argued against by the people against having a parser built in game. At least not that I've seen. They always skip over this.

I May have some explanations of the "why" but what I'm about to say is going to sound very dramatic and elitist in a way... Over the last 10 years of different MMOs, I have personally accepted as a fact that some people just don't want to get better in the games they play or even try to work on self improvement for the good of their teams/friends/communities.
Their selfish attitudes when it come to gaming is so huge that most of them just consider the monthly fee enough to play just like they want to, even if it mean to make 3, 7 or 23 other players (who pays the exact same fees) carrying them in any contents.

It's a sad reality and it mostly apply to PVE contents where a lot of people don't take the competitive spirit seriously.
This is also why we have a DPS/Healing meter at end of a match when it come to PVP, because the competitive spirit is accepted there...

If you guys want to see the competitive spirit evolving in PVE communities and accepted as something normal, we have to find a way to "legalize" it to our whole community.
Just like it is totally normal and accepted to be competitive during PVP it should be acceptable to feel it the same way in PVE contents.
But good luck with that, it may take some years meanwhile we won't see any kind of official parser (SE, feel free to prove me wrong!).