Relic Weapons: Going Forward

[Ashkendor]

making it so that all players start out fresh on a new relic quest on even footing seems to be the fairest way to do things.

I don't see how that's fair at all, really. It completely invalidates the time we've spent on the relics. It should be used to help start you out, just like having the previous raid's gear helps you progress into the new one faster than those that come later and are buying theirs with tomes. Gear doesn't become obsolete in one fell swoop.

Also, as I understand it, the zodiac weapon is supposed to be the fully upgraded version of the relic weapon. It isn't a new weapon. Just one that is completed the total upgrade process.

They turned your relic weapon into materia and infused the Zodiac weapon with it.

[Deathscythe343]

I don't see how that's fair at all, really. It completely invalidates the time we've spent on the relics. It should be used to help start you out, just like having the previous raid's gear helps you progress into the new one faster than those that come later and are buying theirs with tomes. Gear doesn't become obsolete in one fell swoop.

A) Old gear always gets invalidated by the newer gear. This is how things work. Just like in your example, the old raid gear gets replaced by the new raid gear.
B) This isn't one fell swoop also. This is an additional 10 levels, plus who knows what trail/tome/crafted/raid gear later.

It is fair as it allows all players to start off on the same footing. Whereas not making a brand new relic forces them to either create some type of catch up quest or forces them to nerf the entire previous relic to the ground so that players whom didn't complete the 2.0 relic, for whatever reason, can catch up.

[AckersFury]

A)

It is fair as it allows all players to start off on the same footing.

No it isn't fair...why should new players be on the same footing with players who have been playing longer? ...might aswell just boost all new players to max level and give them all end game gear aswell...if you join an mmo that has already been running for a considerable amount of time you have to expect to start at the bottom and work your way up, otherwise what's the bloody point

[Spawnie]

No it isn't fair...why should new players be on the same footing with players who have been playing longer? ...might aswell just boost all new players to max level and give them all end game gear aswell...if you join an mmo that has already been running for a considerable amount of time you have to expect to start at the bottom and work your way up, otherwise what's the bloody point

this ^ there will be some sort of mechanic added to help players catch up with older content giving a nerf n mayb even a lower ilvl requirement and as for the older dungeons players will still do them even if its only via roulette etcbut guarantee when 3.0 comes around every single player wont be even stevens so to speak

[Deathscythe343]

No, it isn't fair. Why should new players be on the same footing with players who have been playing longer? Might as well just boost all new players to max level and give them all end game gear as well. If you join an mmo that has already been running for a considerable amount of time, you have to expect to start at the bottom and work your way up, otherwise what's the bloody point

You mean like aside from the fact that this is a totally new expansion? Even in other games, every player new or old, starts off the expansion on equal footing. Yes, a brand new player will not start off at the previous max level or with that ilvl gear, but I'm not suggesting that this happens. Only that a totally new relic quest line for the expansion would be equal to all players.

I also fixed your grammatical errors.

as for the older dungeons players will still do them even if its only via roulette

Not so sure about this. What incentive do these players have to run a lvl 30 dungeon at that point?

mostly because it's your weapon, it was forged, reforged, upgraded, nothing forbid them to change it more and more. the relic is like the ultimate weapon of your jobs. it will be sad to simply start a new quest when we have already one there. it will be great if they do this.

an important point, the new player can simply get the weapon from raid or dungeon, i feel the relic must always continue, it will be a choice for the player to do it or not. it will long and tedious, but it will be an amazing way to add a feeling of progression inside your jobs outside the level up throught the relic weapon.

A question, does it seem logical to you that we would have to upgrade a weapon that is 10 levels under us in the expansion? It seems rather odd that we would be asked to dig out something that would likely be used as glamour at that point to upgrade it to a level 60 weapon.

Also, I am all for having a job specific weapon. Had those in EQ when I played. Loved the idea. And yet in the grind that was that game, it was still far easier to obtain your class weapon that it is in this game to just upgrade your weapon from one stage to the next. Also add to this that the upgrade is marginal, at best, to the previous stage. The work does not seem to reflect the reward that one would get.

Yes, a new player can always get a weapon from some where else. There are trials, raids, and tomes (when available). But it seems odd that we would tell that new player that they cannot get their job specific weapon unless they are willing to trudge through content that, at that point, 99% of the population is no longer doing. Thus making the current time it would take to finish each stage of the relic even more compounded.

I am all for there always being a relic quest for players to do. I am all for it taking some time to get. I understand that you, and others, would be sad and or upset if they went with a totally new quest line. However, isn't that the nature of this genre? Don't we already have a succession of gear progression? Does the new raid gear not make the old no longer as desirable? The turn five weapons were replaced by the turn nine weapons, etc.

[MageBlack]

You mean like aside from the fact that this is a totally new expansion? Even in other games, every player new or old, starts off the expansion on equal footing. Yes, a brand new player will not start off at the previous max level or with that ilvl gear, but I'm not suggesting that this happens. Only that a totally new relic quest line for the expansion would be equal to all players.

I also fixed your grammatical errors.

Excellent, well then if what you say is true, I'm not even going to bother getting Relic until 3.0 comes out so I can get it handed to me. Good to know!

[Deathscythe343]

Excellent, well then if what you say is true, I'm not even going to bother getting Relic until 3.0 comes out so I can get it handed to me. Good to know!

At not point did I ever say that you were going to be "handed" your relic weapon.

[ereskigal]

At not point did I ever say that you were going to be "handed" your relic weapon.

You didn't but all your post sure make it sound that way.

[ereskigal]

At not point did I ever say that you were going to be "handed" your relic weapon.

You didn't but all your post sure make it sound that way.

[JayCommon]

In any case, I do not see them requiring any of the jobs that were are getting in the expansion to have to go back and do 2.0 content.

Literally every patch, SE has put measures and "content" into the Relic quests that makes you go back and do old content. There is absolutely no reason for you to think this way when everything SE has done up to this point is the exact opposite of what you are describing.. It makes no sense at all for them to do this...

I don't think they will give you the 2.0 weapon, but merely a kind of credit so that one could progress to the 3.0 relic quest line. For example, players would do X,Y, and Z quests to put them on the same footing as someone whom had completed the 2.0 relic.

This invalidates all the work players have put in to their weapons. X, Y, and Z is why people think you are saying this...

At no point did I ever say that you were going to be "handed" your relic weapon.

...because X, Y and Z sounds 1000x easier than what people had to go through while doing their relic quests at their points of relevance. Oh, btw, I fixed your gramatical error here.



Seriously, you are just delusional if you think every single step is going to be invalidated, regardless of how valid your claims may be or not. It will probably get nerfed further, I totally agree with that. But you are speculating things based off of older MMO's and not using the facts from this game, where the evidence is readily apparent.