Relic Weapons: Going Forward

[Deculture]

To be fair, the relic chain has already been nerfed multiple times over the past year. I did my Yoichi Bow (2nd Zodiac) in 8 days from base relic to zodiac and this was before 2.5 rolled in with doubled light gain, increased soldiary tomes/allied seals, reduced Animus FATE respawns, increased Alexandrite droprates from FATES, etc. Going forward with my 3rd weapon, I'll probably finish it in under a week.

[Yumi_umi]

I don't see how that's fair at all, really. It completely invalidates the time we've spent on the relics. It should be used to help start you out, just like having the previous raid's gear helps you progress into the new one faster than those that come later and are buying theirs with tomes. Gear doesn't become obsolete in one fell swoop.

But its the expansion = all that op gear u had will become nothing but vanity. Gear becomes obsolete in one fell swoop but not at an instant, just gradually = depends how fast ppl blaze thru content.
Relics will become vanity i'm pretty sure so once u clear t13 weekly and got ur dreadwyrm wep then ur relic is already a vanity item as there's really no point in getting any stronger as there will be no new raid content till 3.0

[Windklinge]

a lvl cap raise is always a CUT in endgame content. think about doing current relic 2.0 line as a NEW player on all these OLD lvl 50 dungeons that MOST players wont run ever again mostly since they are no longer endgame but require players to have i90+ gear to even stand a chance to deal with some of the dps checks etc. it just doesnt work. its not PRACTICAL to force players trough this all again when most players are at lvl 60 and dont bother with em. light farming also a big issue. how will you farm light at 60? with a novus ilvl110 wep that is a lvl 50 item people would kick you outright for beeing totally undergeared etc.

they will make a cut on relic line. yoschi states that zodiac is ULTIMATE with 2.51 how to improve an ultimate weapon? bullshit. you dont. yoschi said that they quest series will continue but he never said anything about it still needing all the old 2.0 relic contet to be done. guys they even make t13 not needed for the new raid aswell. so that same thing will happen to the relic quest in some form. also they finally have to allow people to switch thier current relic to a different class lets say 1 per month without penalty because otherwise you would be bound to your main classs for all eternity because of that weapon.

2.51 will likely make relic i135 and BIS till expansion. and then we will see what happens.

[MilesSaintboroguh]

There seems to be a big misconception what is "fair" in regards to new players playing catch up in regards to the relic. Relics do not take that long to do now compared to how they were originally and will get even easier as time goes on. Just like with raid and trial content, things get easier, but players are still expected to learn and endure everything from square one. People new to the relics or ones who are still struggling are getting a break, but they still have to put in some effort to complete them. That in itself is fair.


No one says anything about armor being outdated because there's another one next patch that you can get almost on the day the patch goes live and there's always 2 or 3 new ones released every patch, whether by raid rewards or from the new crafting recipes. Relics take time to complete and they are not going to be "reset" come 3.0. From what I seen, weapons don't get updated as much as armor does in every patch. Ignoring the relics and coil weapons, the tomestone based weapons have only been gaining power by every 10 levels. (even the relics have been going at the same pace, just with later patches). And since the character level cap is only going from 50 to 60, I don't think weapons are going to be outdate that quickly unless the devs have been working on a new system we don't know about.

[Windklinge]

i think we wont know whats gonna happen until 3.1 is released just like yoschi said it in his interview. while he said that the relic would GROW with power with the player that basicly says nothing directly. since the real question people wanted an answer about was not asked by the famitsu interviewer and that would be this one :

is the old relic from 2.0 NEEDED to acces the 3.1 relic quest? yes/no ? THAT is the important question here for now. and that is one yoschi p didnt give an answer too yet anywere.

i have a zodiac weapon aswell with me and as much as i like it with 3.0 ill probaly switch to DRK as my new main just because SWORD > AXE. but if this would force me to redo EVERYTHING just because i wanna play a diffrent job then i wouldnt bother doing it again atleast not in its current form. the zodiac rng is just to cruel currently.


also guys keep in mind that tombstones wont exist at lvl 50 anymore likely once 3.0 hits since up to this date tombstones could only be farmed at max lvl which is 60 then. sold is getting scrapped anyway since it would be if there was a 2.6 anyway. but tombstones are NEEDED on relic quest so how would that work then? all questions nobody knows the answer about yet. this patch 3.0 will be totally diffrent from what most of you have ever had till now so you cannot threat it the same way as old updates. a lvl cap raise is a chance and a curse at the same time sadly. it has massive downsides one of which ALWAYS was old content beeing no longer of use or beeing played at all.

its also very likely that the storyquests that were put into the game after 2.0 launch wont be needed to unlock any story quests from heavensward at all as they are a all lvl 50 and give no exp at all and some of em REQUIRE a way higher ilvl than most new players would have access to at lvl 50 unlike now were there is tons of veterans who are carrying many new people. its just not practical. if it would be the case SE would have to HEAVLY swing the nerfbat around with 3.0 on old content. means nerfing everything into the ground which is WORSE then letting people skip it because it REMOVES an option to play old challenging content completly from the game.

[HaelseMikiro]

Nerfs I expect to see to the relic chain moving into 3.0:
1) Atma drop rate boosted to 20-25%
2) Animus books reduced from 9 total to 4, 1 for each stat. SE will be fair with PLDs on this one
3) Alex drops boosted to 20-25%, grade IV materia will be super easy to procure using new (cheap) gear that will have 100% convert chance
4) Light gains doubled again
5) Zodiac drops boosted to 50% and Spring Waters/Bombard Cored cost reduced by 50-75%

I also expect:
New jobs will not have to do these relic steps, their relics will start at whatever stage is level 60. Current jobs in the future will still have to go through the grind.

[seida]

I don't even see how it creates a "huge barrier of entry" at all. It's not like people who start playing with the expansion are going to start at level 50! They will still have to start from level 1 and go through all the original content. Working through relic is just part of that. There are other powerful weapons you can use while working on your relic. What's wrong with having relic as a side project? You don't HAVE to have relic. It's for people who want to put extra effort in. Yes, I think letting people skip the original stages would cheapen it. Make it a bit faster, sure, like they are doing now. But the whole POINT of relic is that it's time consuming and involves extra effort, thus you are rewarded with something "legendary". If you only care about catching up stats-wise, there are plenty of other weapons.