Relic Weapons: Going Forward

[MageBlack]

You enjoy spending months on the upgrade process only to be rewarded with a weapon that is a marginal upgrade from the previous version?

Different strokes for different folks. Some enjoy crafting, others do not. If you do not enjoy the Relic process and see it as pointless, don't do it. I think its a good idea to NOT be BiS because it is such a lengthy process. Instead it is something for the hardcore to get for bragging rights.

As per nerfing, it is inevitable and if anyone thinks otherwise they are fooling themselves. Parts will get easier as time progresses or people wont do them because there will no longer be the playerbase to do it (like FATE's for the Books, Atma grind, Light grind, etc)

[Deathscythe343]

Different strokes for different folks. Some enjoy crafting, others do not. If you do not enjoy the Relic process and see it as pointless, don't do it. I think its a good idea to NOT be BiS because it is such a lengthy process. Instead it is something for the hardcore to get for bragging rights.

As per nerfing, it is inevitable and if anyone thinks otherwise they are fooling themselves. Parts will get easier as time progresses or people wont do them because there will no longer be the playerbase to do it (like FATE's for the Books, Atma grind, Light grind, etc)

I do not think that the relic is pointless. I like the idea of a job specific weapon. My gripe with the process is that for all the hard work that people put into it, the upgrade is marginal at best. Nor do I think that the relic should be BiS.

If the relic is meant for the hardcore to brag about, then what about the casual player? That means that raiders have the raid weapon and the relic, but your average casual player has nothing.

I agree with you. It is going to get nerfed. People that don't believe or like that need to get over it. This is why option B of my previous post seems to be the most logical going forward to the expansion.

[MageBlack]

If the relic is meant for the hardcore to brag about, then what about the casual player? That means that raiders have the raid weapon and the relic, but your average casual player has nothing.

Sounds like this is the crux of your question. If i'm mistaken, let me know. I'm casual and I see nothing wrong with getting the Rowena Tokens for a weapon. I did that so I can have raid gear while i slowly plug away at the end game. I think that is well within the realm of casual possible. Rather than make changes to what is currently in place. i think the addition of different weapons options will help. Like along with gear dropping from places like CT ST and WoD have weapons too. problem solved?

[elreed]

Best solution is new jobs have to do all the steps that we are doing with our current relics, if not the same content at least a very similar and time sinking, that way everyone keeps happy, you want the bad ass Dark Knight with his giant sword with lots of stats and being a zodiac and all that, well you have to work for it.

[Deathscythe343]

Best solution is new jobs have to do all the steps that we are doing with our current relics, if not the same content at least a very similar and time sinking, that way everyone keeps happy, you want the bad ass Dark Knight with his giant sword with lots of stats and being a zodiac and all that, well you have to work for it.

Not sure that this realistic. We don't know when we will unlock the DRK job, or any other of the new ones for that matter. If they unlock at 60, I cannot see it being required to complete the 50 relic before moving onto the 60 relic for a job we just unlocked at 60.

[MasamuneBranford]

Wish I would have seen this thread when I made my post.

My thought was that completing all of the 2.0 relic quests unlocks a "perk" for your relic. Completing all of the 3.0 quests unlocks another "perk" for your relic and so on and so on. Maybe a perk for one job could be "Double attack +1% or what-have-you.

New players can jump right into the 3.0 quest and earn an identical 3.0 weapon as everyone else (the only difference being no perk). If someone who earned their 3.0 relic wants the 2.0 perk, they can go through the 2.0 relic quests (atma, animus, novus, nexus, zodiac, etc.) and the perk would be transferred over to their 3.0 relic.

What this accomplishes? Every expansion - new players get to catch-up. Players who completed an entire expansion's worth of relic questlines are rewarded with a unique perk. Theoretically - several years down the road - someone could have a relic with 5 perks (if they completed all of the 2.0, 3.0, 4.0, 5.0 and 6.0 relic quests).

[Spawnie]

Not sure that this realistic. We don't know when we will unlock the DRK job, or any other of the new ones for that matter. If they unlock at 60, I cannot see it being required to complete the 50 relic before moving onto the 60 relic for a job we just unlocked at 60.

they have already stated dark knight will be available to play asoon as u log in to heavensward so i assume the other classes will be the same 3

[Deathscythe343]

they have already stated dark knight will be available to play asoon as u log in to heavensward so i assume the other classes will be the same 3

I thought they said it was soon after. Which could be a number of story quests into the expansion. In any case, I do not see them requiring any of the jobs that were are getting in the expansion to have to go back and do 2.0 content.

[MageBlack]

I thought they said it was soon after. Which could be a number of story quests into the expansion. In any case, I do not see them requiring any of the jobs that were are getting in the expansion to have to go back and do 2.0 content.

I saw the london fanfest that made people think it will be right out the gate. I dont believe it will be without any prerequisite. I'm sure there will be some sort of quest chain you need to complete that will be in the heavensward areas that can only be accessed after getting to level 50 and completing the story to the end of 2.0. I could be wrong but I don't think so. at the VERY least, it will be like the ROG where you needed to be level 10.

A) Old gear always gets invalidated by the newer gear. This is how things work. Just like in your example, the old raid gear gets replaced by the new raid gear.
B) This isn't one fell swoop also. This is an additional 10 levels, plus who knows what trail/tome/crafted/raid gear later.

It is fair as it allows all players to start off on the same footing. Whereas not making a brand new relic forces them to either create some type of catch up quest or forces them to nerf the entire previous relic to the ground so that players whom didn't complete the 2.0 relic, for whatever reason, can catch up.

The relic quest is a different beast. I seriously doubt they will let you skip all the 2.0 stuff and start off with the (ex, Ragnarok) at level 51. It is story driven. at the best they will relax the requirements to complete each stage but I think they will still make you go through the whole thing. That would be like saying if you buy heavensward you can start at level 50 because its only fair that they are caught up. Sorry, this is one thing of WoW (jump to level 90!) that we wont see for quite a long time. WoW has a good 10+years on this game so it makes sense for them to do it.

[elreed]

Not sure that this realistic. We don't know when we will unlock the DRK job, or any other of the new ones for that matter. If they unlock at 60, I cannot see it being required to complete the 50 relic before moving onto the 60 relic for a job we just unlocked at 60.

I don't think its fair to give away easily a zodiac weapon to a job just because its new, the time it takes to get your zodiac is too much to just throw that away, I remember in XI you wouldn't see that many legendary weapons and people who had theirs they only had that one or if the guy played a lot maybe two, the time it took to get it was enough so you had to choose which job you liked most. In this game is easier and faster, I like that, but it takes time, one thing that im ok with is that they can nerf content like giving more alexandrites and light so you can finish it faster, right now with the current upgrade on drops I got my relic atma from scratch in 1 day, if the job is level 60 well I think the logic thing is that they will have quests to upgrade the current weapons from 50 to 60.

Im sure that a lot of people will be happy doing the same quests to get their zodiacs with new jobs, this games are meant to last and if you look at it, it doesn't take that much time.