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  1. #101
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    Dualblade's Avatar
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    Juyon Intoner
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    Cactuar
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    Gladiator Lv 80
    RNG: If you want something, it will make sure that you (yes you, personally) will only have at best a 5% chance of it dropping. As soon as you have it, it will increase to dropping 75% of the time (and whatever piece you want next dropping down to at best 5%).
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  2. #102
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    FrejyaAthenes's Avatar
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    Freyja Alfodr
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    Cactuar
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    Red Mage Lv 90
    Honestly I've always thought the best way to resolve the issue is to have the RNG adjust to the party's set up. No DRG? No DRG drop. Got more casters than strikers? Give casting gear a bump in probability. Sadly I am not a programmer, I'm just studying to be one, so I'm not entirely sure just how feasible such a idea is. Still, it's fun to dream.
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  3. #103
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    Maero's Avatar
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    I'shtola Maqa
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    Leviathan
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    Dancer Lv 90
    week 4 now and Caster Robe still has not dropped once in my runs.
    Seriously wod favours Bards and Ninjas all the damn time....
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  4. #104
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    RyuRoots's Avatar
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    N'rhuna Veraan
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    Hyperion
    Main Class
    Monk Lv 90
    Been tearing my hair out trying to get the monk hand gear too, but ninja gear is more common in WoD than water in the ocean. Must be nice to be a ninja, since the game spoils them so hard.
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  5. #105
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    ChameleonMS's Avatar
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    Jordan O'niell
    World
    Gilgamesh
    Main Class
    Paladin Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by FrejyaAthenes View Post
    Honestly I've always thought the best way to resolve the issue is to have the RNG adjust to the party's set up. No DRG? No DRG drop. Got more casters than strikers? Give casting gear a bump in probability. Sadly I am not a programmer, I'm just studying to be one, so I'm not entirely sure just how feasible such a idea is. Still, it's fun to dream.
    As a programmer, the feasibility is actually rather simple. Using this loot table reference: WoD Loot Table
    Assumptions:
    1. Party consists of PLD, WHM, SCH, NIN, NIN, DRG, BRD, BLM
    2. Boss drop: Angra Mainyu Loot (10 items)

    Base calculation: is 1/10 for each item.
    For each class present, add +2 to possibility.
    Demon Bracers of Scouting: 5 / 30
    Demon Bracers of Striking: 1 / 30
    Demon Circlet of Maiming: 5 / 30
    Demon Gloves of Healing: 5 / 30
    Demon Greaves of Maiming: 3 / 30
    Demon Hat of Aiming: 3 / 30
    Demon Hat of Casting: 3 / 30
    Demon Sabatons of Fending: 3 / 30
    Demon Sash of Striking: 1 / 30
    Demon Tassets of Fending: 3 / 30

    Chance of roll:
    5 / 30: 16.7%
    3 / 30: 10%
    1 / 30: 3.3%
    As you can see at this point being solo maintains you minimum chance at 1 / 10 like the original rate but having each additional member of your class will increase the chances.

    To make the probability yet more advanced and team accurrate. You can add a negative possibity for each member that already has the item in their posession, -2.
    Assumption: NIN 1: has Demon Bracers of Scouting, and WHM Demon Gloves of Healing.
    Demon Bracers of Scouting: 3 / 26
    Demon Bracers of Striking: 1 / 26
    Demon Circlet of Maiming: 5 / 26
    Demon Gloves of Healing: 3 / 26
    Demon Greaves of Maiming: 3 / 26
    Demon Hat of Aiming: 3 / 26
    Demon Hat of Casting: 3 / 26
    Demon Sabatons of Fending: 3 / 26
    Demon Sash of Striking: 1 / 26
    Demon Tassets of Fending: 3 / 26

    Chance of roll:
    1 / 26: 3.8%
    3 / 26: 11.5%
    5 / 26: 19.2%

    You could also make a different positive and negative weight factors based on iLVL of the members. iLVL of slot < iLVL item is positive and iLVL of slot > iLVL of item is a negative.
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  6. #106
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    Xenosan's Avatar
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    Goffard Gaffgarion
    World
    Sargatanas
    Main Class
    Dark Knight Lv 73
    Quote Originally Posted by Maero View Post
    week 4 now and Caster Robe still has not dropped once in my runs.
    Seriously wod favours Bards and Ninjas all the damn time....
    I've had the exact same experience this week. Scout and Aiming alllll day (literally pass 2 weeks)

    I'm not sure what a solution would be,

    but it's something SE needs to consider.

    As they keep releasing new jobs, equipment types that go along with that, these long play raids like CT are only getting worse
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  7. #107
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    Maero's Avatar
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    I'shtola Maqa
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    Leviathan
    Main Class
    Dancer Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Xenosan View Post
    I've had the exact same experience this week. Scout and Aiming alllll day (literally pass 2 weeks)

    I'm not sure what a solution would be,

    but it's something SE needs to consider.
    As they keep releasing new jobs, equipment types that go along with that, these long play raids like CT are only getting worse
    Well tried this past week again (week #4) and finally said the heck with it, rolled on healer hat and got it, what drops from final boss... the freaking robe
    I swear this game tests my patience for much of the content, lol
    Honestly though CT when it first came out it was the same exact issue, always damn monk gear, then it moved on to always Bard gear. I remember the Crimson Vest for casters having taken me 60+ runs to get
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  8. #108
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    Evangela's Avatar
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    Character
    Evangela Monterossa
    World
    Balmung
    Main Class
    Ninja Lv 90
    I hate all those monk gears. why are they dropping so often? I'm waiting for ninja gears to drop and those fake ninja gears aka monk gears keep trolling me.
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  9. #109
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    Werhusky's Avatar
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    Character
    Nazreen Eby
    World
    Cerberus
    Main Class
    Scholar Lv 70
    Last week 15 runs to see something beyond gear I have and shitty ss/acc belts (was after nothing special just ok stats as I have all on 50) I admit twice unlucky on Aiming tabard once on tankcoat, in the end looted mnk pants with acceptable stats. This week second run got aiming tabard.
    Hail RNG \o/
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  10. #110
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    Culfinrandir's Avatar
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    Culfinrandir Caladel
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    Leviathan
    Main Class
    Fisher Lv 70
    I've not managed to get a healer drop for the past two weeks. In that time I must have run near 50 times, including partial runs, and I've seen one healer drop (boots - already have), three caster drops, a few tank drops and the rest were melee, mainly NIN.

    Something is drastically wrong with how they have implemented loot in CT. It should not share the same type of RNG used elsewhere in the game; instead it should use a system as described eloquently above.

    I'm actually now getting bored of running WoD for loot and may well only do it once for the weekly Archmagus quest.
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