HUNTS: please swap daily and weekly hunts

[ruskie]

Hehe I'd make the superfate bosses actually worth some seals. They can be fun to get through. Every so often I wind up near Gorgimera and it can be hilarious watching people dropping all over the place and healers rezing them etc...

One of these days I need to grab a list of all boss fates and go through them all just for laughs...

[raela]

The FATE changes have really improved things.. I ragequit the dailies for awhile because of spawns, but now I do them regularly. Takes maybe an hour to do hunting log + tribes. Every now and then I have issues, but I just regularly pop in to check if it's up in between doing the other dailies, then camp all FATEs in the general area (for exp on alt class or now for alex) when I'm done with those.

B ranks though? Those take me a few days to do. Some maps take quite awhile to look through.. (I don't shout for them).

[Giantbane]

Plan better to be more efficient

There's nothing magical about what you did. You just did the daily quest. 2.5 hours after leaving work, you ate dinner and had done almost nothing save a few daily quests and some crafts. Unless you had a really long commute, spent an hour and a half at dinner or did a ton of crafting this is just too long to dedicate to a small daily task. Your experiences effectively highlight the problem from my point of view.

There really isn't much "hunting" involved to get the daily logs done. Contrast it to the effort one must put in to locate an A rank...for actively participating in the content (not sitting at a teleport location waiting for a message with position for the target from someone else's work). There is no comparison between the two. The need to work to trigger or wait for a FATE to pop is the trade off for the ease and convenience of a potentially "guaranteed" 64 seals a day (if you are willing to put in the time/effort for them).

A ranks involve checking your server's hunt website to see which windows are open, joining a hunt group on PF and running around one of the open zones to look for it. If you find one, tell your group/hunt LSs/shout and wait for the horde to show up. If you hear a call for a hunt, port to the closest teleport (helps to have the zones memorized) and join the horde. Then join 100+ of your closest friends and curbstomp whatever poor A happens to have spawned. It's really pretty simple, and if everyone's playing nice, this can mean hundreds of seals in an hour. If you want seals, this is the way you do seals. The problem is also "this is the way you do seals". More people are hunting A ranks than the system can really support well. So the hunts die in seconds and this often leads to fights, name calling, and other bad behavior. So if my alternative is to just do A ranks, then I'm now contributing to the problem by adding to an overloaded system.

Log them and catch the loose marks or the FATE marks while you are running around chasing A Ranks and Beastmen Daily's as you stumble across them? They really are essentially free seals if you approach them that way.

That's currently my approach. I check the daily every time I'm in limsa for seal turn ins or whatever and pick up the daily if it has targets i'm more likely to run into than whatever is remaining on my current hunt bill. It results in not many getting done as a result because most of it is out of the way.

It's not that it's "free seals" or not, it's that it's a daily quest that isn't worth doing daily for a lot of people and can be improved.

As for the B-rank achievements. It's just something you can also do along with your regular game play as well. Or has it not occurred to you just how many times you come a cross a B rank floundering about in the open when you are looking for your A/S rank marks, doing beastmen daily's, etc.? You could just as easily take a minute (or less if you are with a group) to take it out real quick. I do it often... why I'm up to 118 on them at the moment...and no, I didn't spend much time chasing hunts when they first came out, so I didn't have a lot of them prior to them being put on the weekly bills.

You are completely misunderstanding. I don't want to do the B rank achievements, I don't actually care whether I finish them at all. So telling me how to do them given the current framework is somewhat pointless. I'm just saying they don't "fit" with every other achievement in the game after the rewards were removed from killing the B ranks.

Every other achievement (or at least most of them), you make some amount of progress by just doing the associated activity for reasons that have nothing to do with earning achievement points. Particularly lengthy achievements at least involves doing something that gives you *some* reward. Either you're crafting something that can be sold, doing levequests for gold or whatever. Something productive is happening as a result of the activity. Or it's about helping others by tanking high level stuff or being worthy of commendation, and those achievements will grant some reward for it (although this also involves dungeon drops so again, something productive is happening).

The B rank hunts achievements involve going out of your way for their entirety (stopping to kill something you weren't otherwise going to kill is going out of your way even if it's not that far out of your way), doesn't involve some sort of rewarding task (kills grant you nothing), and doesn't help anyone (it actually slightly hinders anyone that might happen to be actively looking for the B rank in question). While not some massive crisis of game ending proportion, a small side effect of swapping the daily and weekly hunts is to rectify this slightly.



Anyhow, I'm really very confused, do you LIKE doing the Fates and random enemy kills every day? Do you prefer doing that every day instead of hunting down one of the B ranks on a daily basis?

[Raist]

So... if you don't care enough about the daily and B ranks and instead prefer to run after A's (and risk the reduced rewards in their current state and all the frustration/drama that is bound to them at the moment)--what is the problem?

There are people who do actively do them (at least on my server--run into people with the same objectives and we work to spawn the FATES). As others have stated, it doesn't take forever and a day to do them if you manage things more efficiently.

As for your opening paragraph in this last post... I came home, showered, prepared and ate dinner with the family, AND did those things in game over the span of 2.5 hours. Like another poster had stated... you actually only need to spend up to around an hour tops to do them if you work smarter about it. I have at times come home for lunch and knocked out all but one FATE target on a lunch hour for heaven's sake...that's in 30-40 minutes during lunch. Even if you aren't blessed with being in the right time and place to run them that quickly, there are better ways to integrate the daily hunt logs into your routine then squatting for 4 hours hoping one FATE magically just spawns (reference to another poster that waited forever in ST for one FATE to pop...see that a lot because people don't understand how they work).

But.. I guess it's all a moot point with you, because you are not interested in actively completing them each day. I, on the other hand do in fact complete them daily. I am a single parent with a teen-aged daughter that is very active in church, school clubs, and community theater, not to mention other family members and their activities. I work a solid 40+ hours a week, 5 and 6 days a week. I don't have time to run all the content I want to and have to make compromises. To that end, I integrate the daily hunts with the other daily/weekly content goals. I rarely ever find I have to skip a FATE mark--more often then not when it does happen it is because I carried it over to the next day and stumbled on an A or S so I just write it off as a wash.

My plans simply do not require that I farm 3000+ seals in one week. If that is what you are after, then Daily Hunt Bills may not be the system for you (which, by your own admission, they don't appear to be a good fit for your play style). But, if you are a casual player with more limited play windows and want to cap poetics, try to work your way through the main/side stories, try to muddle through coil eventually, complete a relic for your main and perhaps a secondary, craft, gather, participate in commerce, AND yuck it up now and then with some friends. Then mixing the daily hunt bills into a routine to balance out your short play windows may be a better option... some just may need to learn to work smarter at it than they have been.

So, to answer your last question. Yes. I enjoy the FATE system. I leveled a lot on them because I didn't really like the drama associated with dungeon leveling...and because I ran them so much, I sort of instinctively know how some of them function to the point I sort of know when is a good time to go after a lot of them so I can plan them out. Not to say I didn't crawl my share of dungeons. I ran them first for content sake, then only run them now as a farming mechanic. I have also done my share of hunts as well... have pulled all-nighters before on a Saturday simply because we had a group doing them that got along well and we were having fun--but that is not the case right now...way too much drama attached to the A-rank madness at the moment. I'm an old FFXI player, that loved doing things like Besieged and Campaign because it appealed more to my casual side. I ran Magians like mad once they got it up and running well (had something like 32 weapons or something... multiple ones for each job I had to 99). And (as I mentioned earlier), I do kill B Ranks regularly. Not every day exactly, but I do kill the odd one here and there even without the bill for them. It helps others get their marks, gives my chicken a spot of XP, and gradually advances that 300 B rank achievement bar.

Guess that's the difference between us that is causing a bit of a disconnect? Casual player versus a more agressive type? IDK. I'm more one of those that are not obsessive about rushing through the content. I already have a full time job (actually two if you consider parenthood). I play the game to relax and want to actually enjoy all the content I can...not bum-rush my way through it like a crazed bull in a china shop. More often then not, I am watching TV or my daughter play the PS3--or just chatting up with her about how our day went. Not uncommon for me to simply stop to help people out simply because I can. I know the content I want to do will be there later, so no big rush to be the first to get there and then have nothing to accomplish until the next big content release. That's who proportionally benefits more from things like daily hunt logs, leves, FATEs, beastmen daily's, and daily roulette bonuses--the more casual players with limited play times so they can still work towards their shinies. It simply is not designed to be the solution for the faster paced or grind focused players.

[Giantbane]

So, to answer your last question. Yes. I enjoy the FATE system.

You only half answered my question. Do you prefer doing the daily hunts instead of hunting down a B rank every day? Would you be unhappy if the daily were changed to hunting a B rank instead?

[Raist]

You only half answered my question. Do you prefer doing the daily hunts instead of hunting down a B rank every day? Would you be unhappy if the daily were changed to hunting a B rank instead?

Actually.. I did answer it. It just wasn't in one statement. Guess you glossed over it or something? I said that I do complete the daily/weekly hunts, as well as some light A and S hunts. I said I kill B's regularly already--even without the bill to give me rewards. I try to integrate my goals so that I can knock them out together rather than focusing solely on one piece of content or squatting in a zone waiting for something to happen--I try to MAKE it happen and if I can't at that moment, I don't obsess over it. I move on to something else and come back to it later. I try to avoid just sitting around doing nothing at any given time--whether that is something for myself or lending a hand to someone else. If I am sitting idle, it is mostly because I have gone AFK.

And that is the point. You can streamline your activities so that you aren't sitting around doing nothing. The big complaint that continually comes up is how everyone is tired of having to wait around all the time for a bleeding FATE to pop. No. You don't HAVE to sit there all day/night. In fact, you may actually be hurting yourself if you do because you could be missing the opportunity to actually make the FATE spawn (or at least spawn sooner).

Whether it was a FATE or a B rank that had to be found daily... the end result could eventually wind up the same way. People would still complain about how long it would take to find the objective. If not that, they might complain that it ends too quick for them to get credit. And here we are back at square one again.

[Giantbane]

Actually.. I did answer it. It just wasn't in one statement. Guess you glossed over it or something? I said that I do complete the daily/weekly hunts, as well as some light A and S hunts. I said I kill B's regularly already--even without the bill to give me rewards. I try to integrate my goals so that I can knock them out together rather than focusing solely on one piece of content or squatting in a zone waiting for something to happen--I try to MAKE it happen and if I can't at that moment, I don't obsess over it. I move on to something else and come back to it later. I try to avoid just sitting around doing nothing at any given time--whether that is something for myself or lending a hand to someone else. If I am sitting idle, it is mostly because I have gone AFK.

And that is the point. You can streamline your activities so that you aren't sitting around doing nothing. The big complaint that continually comes up is how everyone is tired of having to wait around all the time for a bleeding FATE to pop. No. You don't HAVE to sit there all day/night. In fact, you may actually be hurting yourself if you do because you could be missing the opportunity to actually make the FATE spawn (or at least spawn sooner).

Whether it was a FATE or a B rank that had to be found daily... the end result could eventually wind up the same way. People would still complain about how long it would take to find the objective. If not that, they might complain that it ends too quick for them to get credit. And here we are back at square one again.

Nope, read through the whole thing and I still can't find where you say whether you would prefer to hunt B ranks on a daily basis or you would rather hunt FATES.

Nor do I see where you state whether or not you'd be unhappy if the daily and weekly hunts were switched.