Please make kicked people stay kicked

[Ruri]

While doing a low level dungeon for a relic book, we had to kick a tank who was trash talking everyone and refusing to tank anymore (doing Manderville dance non stop). He came right back to the same party 3 times in a row, using up everyone's 4 hour kick limit. So, the troll won. Someone (me) had to eat a 30 minute penalty to get out.

Please SE. Change it so if a person is kicked, they cannot be placed back into the same group.

Had the same exact situation but with a healer who would join, afk at start, get kicked, then rejoin, then afk. We finally just called a GM and they removed them from the instance and put them in jail or something so they couldnt rejoin. Took 15 mins but had to be done.

[Set-Abominae]

just wait 5 mins to reopen he'll waste his 3 withdrawl limit hoping to troll out problem solved

[Altaeciana]

As someone who has once, or twice, or many other instances sat in the captain's chair, I ask what you intend to do about those whom you accidentally kick from a party?

Now, before you ask "how the hell do you accidentally kick someone from the party?" I am actually going to explain that as I share a common habit that many, many other people do, when it comes to playing this game.

For the tl;dr version: Proceed to the end.

Although, be warned, it probably affects those of us on controllers more-so than those on keyboard and mouse. If you're using the new motion controls, well... I don't know how it affects you guys yet.

Explanation time! As a controller user, I am plagued with efficiency habits and goals. "I'm going to do 4 button presses in 1.5 seconds to select 3 duties and queue all of them at once simultaneously." Or some other common action we all do every day we play this game.

Controller scheme is all about efficiency, doing something the fastest way possible in the fewest button presses possible. Some reasons why include:

1. Limited hotbar options in terms of spaces to place commands, # of commands available versus # of commands usable. Advantages vs disadvantages of macros, etc.

2. Muscle memory. You "reflexively" do something with the right hand only, left hand only, or in combination between the two. (Example, L1 + R1 to create a flag point for coordinates on a map screen).

Now that I have that out of the way, here's how you can accidentally kick someone out of a party: The command to promote a member (as the new leader) and to kick a member (as in removing a false leader) are right next to each other.

Remember that thing I mentioned earlier ago about efficiency as a controller user? Habitual stuff we do to get around and be at all super combative with the game's needs and mechanics? Yeah... that. The muscle memory I mentioned earlier ago can cause you to second guess yourself instantly at any given moment. So you may know in your head something is 2 arrow presses upwards, but you might do 3 instead. Then all it takes is the trigger happy right thumb that presses confirm and selects the wrong option.

Boom, accidental prompt to confirm kick option, accidental confirmation because of a habitual trigger happy thumb that just loves pressing that button!

tl;dr:

Controller users and their muscle memory while trying to be as efficient as possible. Some habits will make them do things that they did not intend to do originally.

It quickly becomes a case of "your sex-ridden brain thought one thing," but, "your body wanted something else." Namely things like a trigger happy confirm-button pressing thumb.

[LalaRu]

Didn't tried before, but if a member trolls you on a duty, lets report him by petition (no kicking out) and wait if a GM comes to solve problem? As long as you are to wait anyway, you will wait for the good.

[KaedrianLiang]

While doing a low level dungeon for a relic book, we had to kick a tank who was trash talking everyone and refusing to tank anymore (doing Manderville dance non stop). He came right back to the same party 3 times in a row, using up everyone's 4 hour kick limit. So, the troll won. Someone (me) had to eat a 30 minute penalty to get out.

Please SE. Change it so if a person is kicked, they cannot be placed back into the same group.

two sides to the story. The trolling goes both ways when it comes to the vote to kick feature. I've been a victim of it more times than ive had to use it, be glad there is even a vote to kick option.

As for my most memorable experience. Some random player i didnt even know, knows who i am because im in the same FC as someone he hates from the bottom of his heart. To hate someone simply because hes in the same FC as someone else you hate, illogical i know.

[KaedrianLiang]

I got into a Frontline group and it put me in a party with players on my server that hate me on the premise of the above circumstances. So i get kicked after a bunch of out the blue smack talk about how everyone in my FC are complete dixx because he had a bad experience with 1 individual from my FC. Guess what i qued and got back into the same FL and party, they kicked me again. Then i got back in, this time they waited for the tally point to reach near completion before kicking me in an attempt to deny me of tomes, wolf marks, pvp exp and light i earned. Guess what i got back in 10 points until the instance ended. I had the last laugh. The best part. My GM report on the situation most likely got ignored despite the incriminating circumstances and evidence that an attempt to grief was orchestrated by abusing the vote to kick feature. So a system that would bar a kicked player from rejoining would have been abused under these circumstances.

[KaedrianLiang]

The vote to kick feature is not a right, its a responsibility. Im sure theres plenty if not more players that have been victim to vote kick abuse than players that have actually benefited from it.

[ruskie]

While doing a low level dungeon for a relic book, we had to kick a tank who was trash talking everyone and refusing to tank anymore (doing Manderville dance non stop). He came right back to the same party 3 times in a row, using up everyone's 4 hour kick limit. So, the troll won.

As others have said. Don't instantly search for a new member. You can do most of any dungeon without a tank or one dps. Especially the low level ones. Keep pushing to the boss and once you are there start a search again.

Someone (me) had to eat a 30 minute penalty to get out.

Last I checked once the first person leaves(however they leave) the penalty doesn't apply anymore to the rest of the group.

Please SE. Change it so if a person is kicked, they cannot be placed back into the same group.

Can agree with this no matter what.

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So I can get my loot. If they don't want to be friends that's fine by me. I still have other goals to work towards and if I've helped complete 90% of a dungeon I'd rather see it finished off.

Mmmm entitlement!

stuff

Yeah you're the exact type of person we want this system for; Those who feel it is their right to repeatedly harass a group that doesn't want them in it by continually joining and then finding it funny.

[kyuven]

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Yeah I'd rather have someone lose their shot for a few minutes due to "muscle memory" by a controller user than have some asshat tank/healer re-enter an instance 3 times because there's no mechanic short of vote abandon or waiting 5 minutes or more before requeueing to keep them from doing so.
Besides, people really should be READING before they click confirmation boxes. This is why malware runs rampant, people.