Kicked from raid team due to colorblind

[axemtitanium]

I don't even understand why the developers insist on using red and green in dungeons/raid mechanics when it's known to be the most common color blindness in people. I can't distinguish certain shades of red/green and its pretty bad. I was irritated in T9 on golems before I found out that the green and red golems are also differentiated by their shape of the shoulders.

There's a reason why there are always 3 or 4 different ways to distinguish everything color-related in this game. T9 golems have different visual looks (after a patch) and even pre-patch, they had different buff icons stating what type they were. Chirada and Suparna had their tethers changed so they're visually distinct even without color and in XM, the healing and dps sister are consistent so you can just memorize. Ninja buffs have different icons so they're easier to see in addition to their coloration. This game is so accommodating to colorblind players, it won an award for it. What more do you want?

[Hiruke]

What more do you want?

Personally I want the Shiva circles to be less ugly. Not sure why they can't just have a "colorblind mode on/off" thing, or maybe find a colorblind person and ask them if each new content would be a hassle for them to deal with. Surely someone on the dev team is colorblind? 12 years ago it was like 1 in every 20 men (in Japan, more than that in the U.S.) were colorblind, so statistically, you'd think, right?

[kyuven]

I don't even understand why the developers insist on using red and green in dungeons/raid mechanics when it's known to be the most common color blindness in people.

First of all, the statistic mentioned elsewhere in the thread about colorblindness being rarer in asian males than in european males applies.
Second, some people respond better to color distinctions than shape distinctions and vice-versa. For example, I personally respond best to auditory distinctions for mechanics (Levi's splashes, the divebomb beep...Shiva's one of my favorite fights because you can almost literally fight her blind if you know the audio cues)
The best situation is if they have something colored AND shaped uniquely, which they try to do whenever possible, such as with the half dozen different types of markers in the t9 fight.

[Amelia_Pond_Behemoth]

I totally empathize with you, OP, but don't quit the game. At the very most, quit the guild.

I myself am legally blind, but I can still see well enough to function in most cases. There are times though in the game when visual cues are too subtle for me to pick up on, and I or my team suffers greatly. Most of the time they're cool, but there are days when no one feels like getting on mumble to call stuff out and it's discouraging.

Don't quit the game, but if you feel you need a break from raiding, go for it. You gotta do what makes you happy.

[RayneBoemir]

Because color blindness or not, red/orange is still a color that's associated with varying levels of danger in the world. It makes sense that aoe telegraphs are colors associated with danger. They stick with that until a fight (like Shiva) comes out where they go for aesthetic...and then have to change it again to help people with colorblindness.

Nonsense I am sure they can use something like Purple/Black, Bright Yellow, Red or Green not both or White. It is just certain shades I have a problem distinguishing a dull red/green look the same to me, but I can tell the telegraphed abilities are red because of its hue. Anyways someone who doesn't have this issue can never comprehend or sympathize with their fellow human beings and that goes for other things in life and that is just sad. Anyways I just came in here to sympathize with the OP so adiós.

[Ophie-Mio]

Nonsense I am sure they can use something like Purple/Black, Bright Yellow, Red or Green not both or White. It is just certain shades I have a problem distinguishing a dull red/green look the same to me, but I can tell the telegraphed abilities are red because of its hue. Anyways someone who doesn't have this issue can never comprehend or sympathize with their fellow human beings and that goes for other things in life and that is just sad. Anyways I just came in here to sympathize with the OP so adiós.

What I described was common sense in the world. Just because I didn't coddle the OP doesn't mean I didn't sympathize with what they thought happened. However, as others have stated, this game is super friendly in terms of its accessibility to people with color blindness. My statement to you just answered why a lot of the telegraphs are red/orange. It's just standard danger color. As I stated with Shiva, they do use white telegraphs but they had to change that so that everyone could see it.

I also don't really need to sympathize with people who can't really see certain elements of fights. There are tons of non-colorblind players who can't see certain things and I treat them all the same. I couldn't see Shiva's aoes until the last second but no one ever patted me on the back. Ramuh's thunder circles make it hard for me to see but I don't expect sympathy for that either. If you wanna raid, you have to raid to the same standard as everyone else. I wouldn't let any raider slide even if they had color blindness. I expect them to figure it out just like the others do. It may take them longer but I expect them not to be a burden the same as any other.

I'm not sympathizing and coddling you because I'm going to treat you like an equal.

I also had a friend who couldn't see any version of red or any color that wasn't basically blue, yellow or grey. Somehow he played this game perfectly.

Saying that I don't sympathize with you because I laid down common knowledge is you reflecting off me what others in this post have said. Sympathize for the OP I left to others since I highly doubted it was because of their color blindness. Thankfully, someone from their raid came in here and answered that it wasn't due to their color blindness but from their arguments with the leader.

[Preinfalk]

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As someone who was in your raid group, your colorblindness was not the issue. The wipes to the tethers was due to the lack of practice because at the time we had only seen them three or four times. The largest reason from what i was able to get was the arguments that kept coming up between you and the raid leader and a few others. Being able to get along is a big part of a raid group. I'm not sure what went on between you all, but it wasn't your color blindness

Now, I am not the raid lead, and i was not among the ones who voted you out. I actually had no idea at the time that they removed you. You're not a bad player, so don't quit. One group does not make the game. A healer with t10-11 experience should be able to find another group.

[Invision]

As someone who was in your raid group, your colorblindness was not the issue. The wipes to the tethers was due to the lack of practice because at the time we had only seen them three or four times. The largest reason from what i was able to get was the arguments that kept coming up between you and the raid leader and a few others. Being able to get along is a big part of a raid group. I'm not sure what went on between you all, but it wasn't your color blindness

Now, I am not the raid lead, and i was not among the ones who voted you out. I actually had no idea at the time that they removed you. You're not a bad player, so don't quit. One group does not make the game. A healer with t10-11 experience should be able to find another group.

Actually I felt as I got along with everyone, I made jokes with people, made y'all raid food. So actually this comes as a surprise to even hear.

[Preinfalk]

Actually I felt as I got along with everyone, I made jokes with people, made y'all raid food. So actually this comes as a surprise to even hear.

I'm just saying what was told to me. We'll talk in game since this doesn't need to be discussed on the forums, but for the original post, i can assure you it wasn't your color blindness.

[NyarukoW]

I'm just saying what was told to me. We'll talk in game since this doesn't need to be discussed on the forums, but for the original post, i can assure you it wasn't your color blindness.

What is it with these raid statics? Why are they so impatient and so eager to rush to judgement and kick people. What is so wrong with being more inclusive and accommodating? Why not think outside of the box and try to come up with a working solution to solve the problem. Perhaps color was not the issue, but recognizing stuff faster takes practice even for the non-color blind. Raid awareness is typically not a skill people are born with but learned. Raid statics are hard to find, hard to create, and hard to maintain, yet people are more eager to blow stuff up than trying to work thru the issue. The vast majority of players have trouble even getting past T9, and by excluding others you will have a even smaller pool of players to draw upon.