I'm Getting More Confused about a WAR's Ability to Tank

[Rbstr]

This all because people see bigger damage numbers on the War and don't realize the incoming damage in proportion to max health is identical.
The idea that "War needs a good healer" or some kind of different healing strategy is bunk. The extra healing required is less than 5%.

For instance, some one was saying that WHM should SS the war more, especially when ToB is up. That's rarely ever true.
For a WHM that's roughly up-to-date on gear, even with ToB up on a highly geared WAR, Stone Skin is still less than a cure 2 in effective HP recovered.
A Cure II on a war from an ~i120 WHM is going to hit for something like 2500hp
An i120 war with ToB on is at something like 12500hp in pure vit gear (which not many do) so the stone skin is going to hit for about 2200.

Given CureII's lower cast time it's a no-brainer to Cure over SS unless you're going to be overhealing a couple hundred HP.

[Kelya]

The difference between SS and Cure 2 is also about the DPS. Putting SS allows you to stay in CS and dps, and SS is, most of the time, always needed before every big hits.

The effectiveness of SS is better on the WAR than the PLD because of his HP, so even better with ToB, and any good WHM will use SS in some situations because it's actually a good spell regardless Cure 2 (which shouldn't be spammed like a no brain btw). Besides when the WAR is already full life or doesn't need to be healed for a while and ToB is up, why not put a SS on him ? It last 30 min you'll loose nothing but gain a future big mitigation on the next attack.

But the subject isn't about the healers spells, I was just saying than most of the ppl share a wrong feeling about WAR (taking more damages / needing more heals than PLD) just because a lot of healers actually don't know how is working the WAR and how to heal him. They end up overhealing a lot or using too much Cure 2 and then complain because WAR is difficult to heal instead of questionning themself, that's all.

[Alphras]

The effectiveness of Stone Skin is exactly the same on a WAR and on a PLD. ShO and PLD cooldowns also apply to the additional health provided by Stone Skin, so the effective bonus is the same.

The only difference would be if you pop thrill of battle before a pull, which no one really does.

[Izsha]

Stoneskin on war is 25% more hp on war.(defiance)
Stone skin on pld is 25% tougher on pld. (Shield oath).

Stoneskin is identical on pld and war. Same with adlo.

The only things that chane from pld to war are % based things under ToB. Lustrates, stoneskin, benediction are 20% more effective when used on ToB. That's the ONLY healing difference between pld and war.

The only other difference is war needs 4% more cures across the board, but a lot of that should he made up for by self heals like inner beast which basically makes it a complete wash.

Properly played war is virtually identical to properly played pld with the single exception of hollowed ground. That is the pld edge.

[MythToken]

^ end thread

[abzoluut]

I stopped after you mentioned progress was better when he switched to PLD. Maybe he is not comfortable with WAR? Maybe you aren't either?

As for T9, I do not see how PLD would be much better. Same goes for turn 10-13. I do think WAR has higher learning curve when getting into new content, but that's just a couple of raids.

[Raelen]

stop trying to play war like pld
play war like war and itll live just as long, if not longer

Yeah...I remember when I went into my first 8 main raid on WAR after being a PLD forever...was not pretty. Tried to play them the same and it ended very badly. I've had much more pleasant experiences after actually putting the time in to learn WAR correctly.

[aisustrong]

Yeah...I remember when I went into my first 8 main raid on WAR after being a PLD forever...was not pretty. Tried to play them the same and it ended very badly. I've had much more pleasant experiences after actually putting the time in to learn WAR correctly.

ain't no 3 button dance

[MythToken]

I would also note that the 5% extra healing required on war, could be looked at in a positive light, due to overhealing. Technically your heals may or may not be more efficient on a warrior vs a pld.

food for thought

[dspguy]

Read the OP. I main WAR but also have PLD. Naturally they use the same gear (minus weapon and shield). Before 2.4, I played WAR in all raid instances except T9. PLD was simpler to play. There were a lot of mechanics and PLD has the benefit of all of their mitigation moves being on CD instead of having to time IB on WAR. Couple that with stoneskin, and PLD just "felt better" for this fight.


Take the last phase of T9 and Bahamut's Claw. The first claw (and every odd one after) is coupled with Favor. Lots of time to get ready for claw. But the in-between claws are harder to time when you are new to the fight. And the 6 second duration of IB sometimes wouldn't be enough unless I was comfortable with exactly when that "big hit" was coming.

As for stoneskin, it was handy because there was those times when blight would explode followed shortly by another "big hit" like Drive. Since there is some latency with the server, it is possible to finish casting SS while WHM SS is up, have blight be eaten by the WHM SS, then mine would go active immediately after that and help eat the drive (or whatever the next bit of damage is).

T9 has a lot of pauses in the fight. Warrior has nothing to do during those breaks. PLD can SS. It's something.